Re: mail headers for announce

2002-11-01 Thread Keith Moore
The recipient list is a pretty poor way to deal with things when you get mail sent to multiple lists you're on, and often the To: line ends up with nothing at all. The Return-Path: is generally the surest way to know which of the lists each of the messages was sent to. I've tried lots of

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-11-01 Thread Dave Crocker
Perry, Wednesday, October 30, 2002, 1:38:54 PM, you wrote: Perry As I use Return-Path: headers to filter my mail, this has gotten Perry annoying, Yes, I can indeed kludge around it, but is there a Perry particular reason for this being done? Using return-path is a bit like paying attention to

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-11-01 Thread John Stracke
Dave Crocker wrote: Using return-path is a bit like paying attention to what mailbox a postal letter is dropped into. Or perhaps what post offices it went through on the way. -- /===\ |John Stracke |[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-31 Thread Pekka Savola
On 30 Oct 2002, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wednesday, October 30, 2002, 1:38:54 PM, you wrote: Perry As I use Return-Path: headers to filter my mail, this has gotten Perry annoying, Yes, I can indeed kludge around it, but is there a Perry particular

mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Perry E. Metzger
There are now apparently TWO servers sending out ietf-announce mail, with different envelope senders. This started happening today. As I use Return-Path: headers to filter my mail, this has gotten annoying, Yes, I can indeed kludge around it, but is there a particular reason for this being done?

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wednesday, October 30, 2002, 1:38:54 PM, you wrote: Perry As I use Return-Path: headers to filter my mail, this has gotten Perry annoying, Yes, I can indeed kludge around it, but is there a Perry particular reason for this being done? Using

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Vernon Schryver
Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... Using return-path is a bit like paying attention to what mailbox a postal letter is dropped into. That analogy is quite good, and cuts both ways. While you cannot rely completely on envelope or header return addresses or postmarks, in practice

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Paul Hoffman / IMC
ahem Or the IETF could simply start using its own Proposed Standard mechanism described in RFC 2919. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Vernon Schryver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see no Return-Path headers in some IETF traffic, including [EMAIL PROTECTED] as it appears in my mailbox. Instead I see an old UNIX-style From_. That's because Return-Path: is frequently added at final delivery. My MTA adds that, some other don't.

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: The recipient list is a pretty poor way to deal with things when you get mail sent to multiple lists you're on, and often the To: line ends up with nothing at all. I filter on envelope recipient. This seems to work very well, although it does cause

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Keith Moore
I see no Return-Path headers in some IETF traffic, including [EMAIL PROTECTED] as it appears in my mailbox. Instead I see an old UNIX-style From_. That's because Return-Path: is frequently added at final delivery. My MTA adds that, some other don't. (Many Unix MTAs use the From_ line).

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Keith Moore
The recipient list is a pretty poor way to deal with things when you get mail sent to multiple lists you're on, and often the To: line ends up with nothing at all. I filter on envelope recipient. This seems to work very well, although it does cause problems with certain obnoxious lists and

Re: mail headers for announce

2002-10-30 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that the ones that don't add return-path are in violation of over 20+ years of mail specificatons. See RFC 821 (top of page 22), RFC 1123 (section 5.3.3 among others), and RFC 2821 (section 4.4). However there's no guarantee that Return-Path is