Re: [Ietf-dkim] Remove the signature! (was: Re: DKIM reply mitigations: re-opening the DKIM working group)

2022-11-26 Thread Jim Fenton
On 26 Nov 2022, at 15:20, Barry Leiba wrote: > We have to decide whether it's worth breaking that use case in order > to address the replay situation. My opinion is that it's not -- > because, as I say, I rely on that use case extensively. My system > would have to change *significantly* in ord

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Remove the signature! (was: Re: DKIM reply mitigations: re-opening the DKIM working group)

2022-11-26 Thread Dave Crocker
(re-send, fixing list address) On 11/26/2022 3:20 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: I will say that the use case that is broken by removing the signature is the "re-send" case, where the MUA or some other post-delivery agent (perhaps a sieve script) re-introduces the message with a different RCPT TO but

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Remove the signature! (was: Re: DKIM reply mitigations: re-opening the DKIM working group)

2022-11-26 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 26/11/2022 23:20, Barry Leiba wrote: I will say that the use case that is broken by removing the signature is the "re-send" case There was another use-case already noted: where the MUA verifies the DKIM for the purpose of display to the user. Example: the "DKIM Verifier" add-on for Thunderb

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Remove the signature! (was: Re: DKIM reply mitigations: re-opening the DKIM working group)

2022-11-26 Thread Barry Leiba
I will say that the use case that is broken by removing the signature is the "re-send" case, where the MUA or some other post-delivery agent (perhaps a sieve script) re-introduces the message with a different RCPT TO but the same MAIL FROM and "From:". I don't know how often this happens nowadays,

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Remove the signature! (was: Re: DKIM reply mitigations: re-opening the DKIM working group)

2022-11-26 Thread Dave Crocker
On 11/25/2022 2:26 AM, Laura Atkins wrote: What’s stopping large providers from removing DKIM now if they wanted to? Nothing at all.  That they can choose to, if they wish, is one of the appealing aspects to this.  It permits unilateral adoption. Or have they actually made the choice to ke