Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Stephen Farrell
Maybe we should leave the charter text as it is, and wait until we start beating on the document before we decide whether we want to call it "policy" or "declaration" or "bad thing that we've decided not to do after all." Good idea! Me too - I think we can finesse the terminology later on.

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Hector Santos
- Original Message - From: "Barry Leiba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "IETF DKIM pre-WG" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter > > I really like your suggestion in > > http://mipassoc.org/pipermail/ietf-dkim/2005q4/001359.html that we move > > away fro

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Crocker
Thank you. I looked at the text here, and there are only two places where we say "policy", and I can't see a good way to turn either of those directly into "declaration" without changing what they mean. The first says, "and to publish 'policy' information about how it applies those signatures.

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Barry Leiba
The parenthetical seems to be a bit misplaced, and might fit better to the use of the word "legitimate". This might read more easily if broken into two sentences. Actually, the content and placement of the parenthetical is due to an attempt to correct a misunderstanding followed by awkwardness

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Crocker
Doug, It would seem consensus may have been reach by those convinced that since many abusive messages spoof the email-address, limiting the use of an email-address therefore prevents abusive messages. 1. Are you attempting to declare the existing consensus invalid? 2. If you are, what is

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Douglas Otis
On Nov 14, 2005, at 4:04 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: At this stage of the game, with substantial consensus on the current wording, I think we should be making only small, surgical changes than complete changes in wording. It would seem consensus may have been reach by those convinced that sinc

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Jim Fenton
At this stage of the game, with substantial consensus on the current wording, I think we should be making only small, surgical changes than complete changes in wording. The ability for the message to be signed by a different domain is covered by the wording in the first paragraph, "...that all

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On 11/14/2005 18:25, Douglas Otis wrote: > On Nov 14, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: > > Barry, > > > >> DESCRIPTION OF WORKING GROUP: > >> > >> The Internet mail protocols and infrastructure allow mail sent > >> from one > >> domain to purport to be from another. While there are sometimes >

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Douglas Otis
On Nov 14, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: Barry, DESCRIPTION OF WORKING GROUP: The Internet mail protocols and infrastructure allow mail sent from one domain to purport to be from another. While there are sometimes legitimate reasons for doing this, it has become a source of gener

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Jim Fenton
Barry, This is very good, and entirely acceptable IMO. I have a few suggestions for what they're worth; take them or leave them as you please. Barry Leiba wrote: - DRAFT IETF WORKING GROUP CHARTER 8 Nov 2005 Domain Keys I

Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP Threat Analysis vs SSP Impact Analysis

2005-11-14 Thread Barry Leiba
Assuming that's "threat"... what do you mean by "impact considerations"? How a "known Feature or Expected Logic" may alter or effect current operations. This should not be construed as a threat unless there is an entry point that causes an expected mode of operation to run amonk. OK, that's w

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter

2005-11-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On 11/13/2005 14:41, Tony Hansen wrote: > To get past the contentions around SSP, I'm wondering if we should > change the wording slightly, as follows. > > Tony Hansen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Barry Leiba wrote: > > - > > DRAFT IE