[ietf-dkim] draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-01 review request

2010-07-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
The -01 draft was briefly presented in Maastricht. We'd like to get more review of and feedback about it from people with an ideal in mind of starting a WGLC toward the end of September. Please take some time to review it and provide comments, even if it's just I've read it, looks good. We

[ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Charles Lindsey
I promised to do this some while back, but only just got a round tuit. Scenario: discardable.example publishes a 'discardable' ADSP MLM.example operates a mailing list that adds boilerplate that breaks signatures. j...@discardable.example sends mail to the mailing list with

[ietf-dkim] draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-01 review

2010-07-29 Thread Daniel Black
Murray et al. I've done a second review of this. Most suggestions here relate to making the document easlier to read colocating like sections and splitting dual themes. There are a few new bits within for thought. 1. Introduction (moderate importance) After much discussion and editing I think

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Douglas Otis
On 7/29/10 1:21 PM, Charles Lindsey wrote: Various suggestions to mitigate this problem have been mooted, but none of them works perfectly, mainly because they rely on certain behaviours by discardable.example, MLM.example and discardable.example, all of whom need to persuaded to observe

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:22 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach [...] So there it is. Discussion?

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Daniel Black
On Thursday 29 July 2010 21:21:41 Charles Lindsey wrote: I promised to do this some while back, but only just got a round tuit. Ah the mythical round tuit. I put a similar idea through when once I had a round tuit. Feel free to follow the threads.

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-levine-dbr-00 (fwd)

2010-07-29 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 26 July 2010 18:24:34 +0200 J.D. Falk jdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org wrote: I think it's because, when you implement most protocols, if your end is broken then you can't even talk to the other end. With ADSP, if your end is broken then you can still talk SMTP and even sign with DKIM,

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 29 July 2010 18:46:34 +0200 Alessandro Vesely ves...@tana.it wrote: On 29/Jul/10 13:21, Charles Lindsey wrote: The REAL cause of the problem is that From: line. My proposal is that MLM should change the From: header in such a way that the mail appears to have come from MLM.example and

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread John Levine
The REAL cause of the problem is that From: line. My proposal is that MLM should change the From: header in such a way that the mail appears to have come from MLM.example and not from discardable.example. Hmmn. I don't see how this does what ADSP users want. There's the obvious issue that

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jul 29, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On 29/Jul/10 13:21, Charles Lindsey wrote: The REAL cause of the problem is that From: line. My proposal is that MLM should change the From: header in such a way that the mail appears to have come from MLM.example and not from

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:46:34 pm Alessandro Vesely wrote: On 29/Jul/10 13:21, Charles Lindsey wrote: The REAL cause of the problem is that From: line. My proposal is that MLM should change the From: header in such a way that the mail appears to have come from MLM.example and not from

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-levine-dbr-00 (fwd)

2010-07-29 Thread J.D. Falk
On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 26 July 2010 18:24:34 +0200 J.D. Falk jdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org wrote: I think it's because, when you implement most protocols, if your end is broken then you can't even talk to the other end. With ADSP, if your end is broken then

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-levine-dbr-00 (fwd)

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:53 AM, J.D. Falk wrote: On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 26 July 2010 18:24:34 +0200 J.D. Falk jdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org wrote: I think it's because, when you implement most protocols, if your end is broken then you can't even talk to the

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-levine-dbr-00 (fwd)

2010-07-29 Thread Michael Thomas
On 07/29/2010 11:53 AM, J.D. Falk wrote: On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 26 July 2010 18:24:34 +0200 J.D. Falkjdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org wrote: I think it's because, when you implement most protocols, if your end is broken then you can't even talk to the other end.

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:22 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach The REAL cause of the problem is

Re: [ietf-dkim] Alternative MAiling List Approach

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Should the MLM draft suggest From: replacement and addition of Reply-To: as a specific example of DKIM-friendly MLM behavior? No. DKIM doesn't really say much about either the From: address or the Reply-To: address, so such a