Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Franck Martin
I think You miss to state the important point that MLMs usually preserve the RFC5322.From when sending the email to the subscribers except in digest mode where it replaces it by the list-owner(?) email. This is why ADSP fails, otherwise if the RFC5322.From was replaced we would have no issues

Re: [ietf-dkim] Bug in our l= extension stats

2011-05-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
The next version out will fix this, in less than a month. After we have a few months of data I might get a more accurate picture of relaxed body extension results, etc. From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Franck Martin
I don't disagree with you, but it is important to state why ADSP fails, because mailing lists keep RFC5322.From and as the IETF could put it, if it is widely used then it has to be considered as a standard. ADSP can hardly change standards, nor any other email policy. On 5/12/11 17:47 , John R.

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Ian Eiloart
On 12 May 2011, at 06:47, John R. Levine wrote: I think You miss to state the important point that MLMs usually preserve the RFC5322.From when sending the email to the subscribers except in digest mode where it replaces it by the list-owner(?) email. This is why ADSP fails, otherwise if

[ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Domain Keys Identified Mail WG (dkim) to consider the following document: - 'DKIM And Mailing Lists' draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt as a BCP The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 5/11/2011 1:35 PM, John Levine wrote: It's unnecessary and unwelcome to call what other people write stupid. FYI, that section is taken verbatim from the MLM draft that Barry sent off yesterday. I guess now we know who read it and who didn't. He was just following instructions: On

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Hector Santos
John Levine wrote: FYI, that section is taken verbatim from the MLM draft that Barry sent off yesterday. I guess now we know who read it and who didn't. Dave CROCKER followed up: He was just following instructions: On 5/11/2011 10:36 AM, John R. Levine wrote: ... but you should

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Barry Leiba
I have noted the issue before but I guess it didn't get any attention until it was called stupid - very funny. It got attention; it didn't get consensus. Sometimes, people don't respond because they don't agree. Sometimes what one needs are people agreeing, and it isn't necessary for people

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Hector Santos
Ian Eiloart wrote: On 12 May 2011, at 06:47, John R. Levine wrote: As I tried to say tactfully in the draft, mailing lists have worked just fine for 40 years, so if DKIM or ADSP don't work with mailing lists, it's not because the lists are broken. I think I agree with this. I get very