> John Levine wrote: >> FYI, that section is taken verbatim from the MLM draft that Barry sent >> off yesterday. I guess now we know who read it and who didn't.
> Dave CROCKER followed up: > > He was just following instructions: > > On 5/11/2011 10:36 AM, John R. Levine wrote: > > ... but you should blame me for > > the whole thing, borrowed or otherwise. > > d/ For the record, the old MLM was read as well Levine's poison pill MLM. With no intent nor suggest the writer is stupid, writers do say stupid things and that paragraph was "stupid" then and it remains to be "stupid" as in a stupid manner; "he had stupidly defined a one way ticket for DKIM." I have noted the issue before but I guess it didn't get any attention until it was called "stupid" - very funny. That said, FWIW, I do apologize it was given that attribute and I am sorry it was read with an ill-intent in mind. Everyone here are pretty smart and experience people. It would be "stupid" to think otherwise. We simply have different views, and unfortunate strong views residing at point ends of the spectrum. In strong opinion, even I would accept the single output modeling, you can't have a background description that says X is the only way, then have deviations of that X in the document and in other documents. I tried to suggest how make it both functionally and technically correct with the general statement that: "X (DKIM) under Y (MLM) conditions can only work one way (RESIGN) by assigning Y trust when Z (Author Domain) has no policy against it." We are talking a special stream (MLM) that historically and inherently breaks the integrity of mail (in an industry acceptable manner). DKIM does not naturally fit into the MLM technology and thus the feasible "Pottery Theorem" solution is correct - resign. But I object to the idea it is an unrestricted resigning model only and I firmly believe it will harm the general wide best interest of the IETF mail community and DKIM itself if we allowed this to be the one way ticket. Is that any more clear? -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html