Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-10 Thread Charles Lindsey
On Tue, 10 May 2011 00:02:36 +0100, Barry Leiba wrote: > That was quick. I believe we already have enough objections to say > that we do NOT have rough consensus for deprecating l= at this time. > I'll close the issue in the tracker (issue #26), and we will leave it > as it is. > > Of course,

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-10 Thread Steve Atkins
On May 9, 2011, at 5:14 PM, John Levine wrote: > I think it was a mistake to include l= in the first place, but I > find Murray's arguments against taking it out now persuasive. +1 > I would also really like to have a better idea of how people are > using it, notably, for all those messages whe

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-10 Thread J.D. Falk
On May 9, 2011, at 5:14 PM, John Levine wrote: > I think it was a mistake to include l= in the first place, but I > find Murray's arguments against taking it out now persuasive. Agreed (which is a -1 to removal.) > I would also really like to have a better idea of how people are > using it, nota

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread John Levine
I think it was a mistake to include l= in the first place, but I find Murray's arguments against taking it out now persuasive. I would also really like to have a better idea of how people are using it, notably, for all those messages where l= doesn't cover the whole body, what's in the naked part.

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Hector Santos
Barry Leiba wrote: >> So I'll ask it this way, starting a new thread for it: >> I determine from discussion that there's enough support for >> deprecating "l=" to qualify as rough consensus *if* there's not much >> objection to it. �It's the objection we need to gauge. �Please post to >> this threa

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Hector Santos
I object. Barry Leiba wrote: >> I'd like to request that we specifically test for consensus on >> deprecating "l=" through the usual +1/-1 approach. No miring, just a >> vote. > > Semantics first: we don't "vote" here. > > OK, that taken care of, it's a fair request, because there's been a > lot

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Barry Leiba
> So I'll ask it this way, starting a new thread for it: > I determine from discussion that there's enough support for > deprecating "l=" to qualify as rough consensus *if* there's not much > objection to it.  It's the objection we need to gauge.  Please post to > this thread if you object to depre

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Thomas
On 05/09/2011 02:28 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > Semantics first: we don't "vote" here. > > OK, that taken care of, it's a fair request, because there's been a > lot of discussion about it. We certainly have a good base of support > for deprecating "l=". > > So I'll ask it this way, starting a new thr

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Thomas
On 05/09/2011 02:39 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > - the PS-DS promotion "rules" say we should cut stuff that's not actually in > use, but this is; > - we therefore don't have any data to conclude that there isn't anyone out > there that finds it exceptionally useful despite the dangers >

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Dave CROCKER
> - the PS-DS promotion "rules" say we should cut stuff that's not actually in > use, but this is; > > - we therefore don't have any data to conclude that there isn't anyone out > there that finds it exceptionally useful despite the dangers oops. he's right. it /is/ in use and we have no basis

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
c: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org >> Subject: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l=" >> >> So I'll ask it this way, starting a new thread for it: >> I determine from discussion that there's enough support for >> deprecating "l=" to qualify a

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] > On Behalf Of Barry Leiba > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:29 PM > To: MH Michael Hammer (5304) > Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org > Subject: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider dep

[ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating "l="

2011-05-09 Thread Barry Leiba
> I'd like to request that we specifically test for consensus on > deprecating "l=" through the usual +1/-1 approach. No miring, just a > vote. Semantics first: we don't "vote" here. OK, that taken care of, it's a fair request, because there's been a lot of discussion about it. We certainly have