Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-20 Thread Jon Callas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:16 AM, Charles Lindsey wrote: > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:27:55 -, Eliot Lear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Bingo. We are wasting time on what I think is an extraordinary >> superficial issue. Jim's original term "Suspiciou

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-20 Thread Hector Santos
Eliot Lear wrote: Hector, So much for getting the "easy issues" out of the way. :-) Bingo. We are wasting time on what I think is an extraordinary superficial issue. Jim's original term "Suspicious" was defined within the document, and did not in itself mean that the message was a forgery -

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-19 Thread Charles Lindsey
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:27:55 -, Eliot Lear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bingo. We are wasting time on what I think is an extraordinary superficial issue. Jim's original term "Suspicious" was defined within the document, and did not in itself mean that the message was a forgery - just that ex

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-18 Thread Eliot Lear
Hector, >> >> +1 for "Whatever" as the descriptive term. > > hahahahaha! > > So much for getting the "easy issues" out of the way. :-) > Bingo. We are wasting time on what I think is an extraordinary superficial issue. Jim's original term "Suspicious" was defined within the document, and did no

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-18 Thread Hector Santos
Steve Atkins wrote: On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Frank Ellermann wrote: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ... >> SSP could use "Whatever" in double quotes, at the moment it uses a title case Suspicious without double quotes. For some value of "Whatever", not necessarily "Fail" - but I think

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-18 Thread Steve Atkins
On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Frank Ellermann wrote: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think FAIL actually has a stronger connotation than non-compliant. [...] If the concern is that people won't understand that Suspicious is a defined term and will bring their own connotative filter is that lik

[ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-18 Thread Frank Ellermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think FAIL actually has a stronger connotation than non-compliant. [...] > If the concern is that people won't understand that Suspicious is a > defined term and will bring their own connotative filter is that > likely to be less true for FAIL? I've just checked how

RE: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-18 Thread robert
Sorry for joining the debate a bit late. My $.02 are below Frank Ellermann wrote: > Jim Fenton wrote: > > > My suggestion: "non-compliant"/"compliant". > > If "non-compliant" is actually a "Resent-* as > specified in 2822upd with a twist" (signature > didn't survive it), then that's rathe

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-18 Thread Douglas Otis
On Dec 18, 2007, at 6:55 AM, Frank Ellermann wrote: Jim Fenton wrote: My suggestion: "non-compliant"/"compliant". If "non-compliant" is actually a "Resent-* as specified in 2822upd with a twist" (signature didn't survive it), then that's rather strong. Any changes to message content

[ietf-dkim] Re: Issue 1530 - replace use of term "suspicious"

2007-12-18 Thread Frank Ellermann
Jim Fenton wrote: > My suggestion: "non-compliant"/"compliant". If "non-compliant" is actually a "Resent-* as specified in 2822upd with a twist" (signature didn't survive it), then that's rather strong. Why not FAIL ? FAIL is short, neutral, and some folks are used to the idea that FAIL is a d