Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-16 Thread John R. Levine
> Yes, it ties an identifier to a bag of bits, and yes it specifies what > those bits are, but it really does deal only with those bits and not > (necessarily) the entire message. Technically. you are correct. Semantically, that's silly. We went through backflips trying to figure out how to de

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-16 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 10/16/2010 10:26 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >> Yes, it ties an identifier to a bag of bits, and yes it specifies what >> those bits are, but it really does deal only with those bits and not >> (necessarily) the entire message. > > Technically. you are correct. Semantically, that's silly. > > W

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-16 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
On 10/16/10 4:50 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > On 10/16/2010 10:26 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >>> Yes, it ties an identifier to a bag of bits, and yes it specifies what >>> those bits are, but it really does deal only with those bits and not >>> (necessarily) the entire message. >> Technically. you

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-16 Thread MH Michael Hammer (5304)
> -Original Message- > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- > boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:50 AM > To: John R. Levine > Cc: DKIM List > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:50:25 am Dave CROCKER wrote: > On 10/16/2010 10:26 AM, John R. Levine wrote: > >> Yes, it ties an identifier to a bag of bits, and yes it specifies what > >> those bits are, but it really does deal only with those bits and not > >> (necessarily) the entire message.

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-16 Thread Michael Thomas
Far be it for me to defend Dave, but I think you two are in violent agreement. I think you misread some of Dave's comment because they were posed as rhetorical. Mike On 10/16/2010 11:56 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:50:25 am Dave CROCKER wrote: >> On 10/16/2010 10:

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:56 AM > To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
gt; To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org > > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims > > > > > The current DKIM spec does not answer these questions and easily > > > permits protecting very little of the message. Almost certainly too > > > little t