Re: [Ifeffit] errors in bond lengths

2020-04-12 Thread George Sterbinsky
Matthew, Matt, and Anatoly, Thanks for your replies and some good suggestions. You have convinced me that the best thing for me to do here is to try multiple analysis methods and see how well the results, and uncertainties, compare, as was done in the previously referenced PRL. Thanks again,

Re: [Ifeffit] errors in bond lengths

2020-04-12 Thread Matthew Marcus
Something I've done for analyzing DWF on data taken at several temperatures is what I called 'consensus amplitude' fitting. Here, I fitted shells to k^n*chi[i](k) = exp(-2 dsig2[i] k^2) A(k) sin(phi(k)+2 dr[i]k) where i is the index to temperature, and the fit parameters are A(k), phi(k),

Re: [Ifeffit] errors in bond lengths

2020-04-12 Thread Matt Newville
Hi George, I think this will not be a different answer from Matthew's or Anatoly's answers, but just reiterate their points. The Purans et al 2008 PRL from 2008 appears to use both non-linear fitting with Feff and EDA (which should give basically the same results as Artemis/Ifeffit/Larch, though

Re: [Ifeffit] errors in bond lengths

2020-04-11 Thread Anatoly Frenkel
Matthew, In the paper by Purans et al that George references, they showed that the FEFF fitting method and ratio method agreed, and in the ratio method the amplitudes and phases are extracted from experimental standards, just as in your paper. Anatoly On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:21 PM Matthew

Re: [Ifeffit] errors in bond lengths

2020-04-11 Thread Matthew Marcus
The uncertainties reported by Artemis include as 'noise' the systematic deviation of FEFF calculation from the real thing. Even if FEFF were perfect, those FEFF calcs haven't been through the mutilations inflicted by data reduction, such as spline fitting. What I've done when looking at

[Ifeffit] errors in bond lengths

2020-04-11 Thread George Sterbinsky
Hello, As is well known, EXAFS is more accurate at determining relative changes in bond lengths than absolute changes in bond lengths due to cancelation of systematic errors in relative comparisons. When comparing the relative changes in bond lengths determined from EXAFS fits, as one might for a