[Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Ravi Jaya
Dear All, Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux cheers Ravi Jaya ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc

[Ilugc] Re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-16 Thread Ravi Jaya
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > > Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux > > > cheers > Ravi Jaya > Dear All, What did i asked you? an alternative tool. but where did this thread is heading too. thank God I didn't

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Gilbert Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread vivek khurana
On 5/14/08, Ravi Jaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > > Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux Try kompozer !! regards VK ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 14-May-08, at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya wrote: Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux a text editor + knowledge of CSS and HTML -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ To unsubscribe

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread krazy lizard
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On 14-May-08, at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya wrote: > >> Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux > > a text editor + knowledge of CSS and HTML > try quanta krazy. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread senthilraja P
I recently tried Aptana Studio editor. It was very fine, although i could not comment on using it in real time projects. regards, Senthil On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 14-May-08, at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya wrote: > > Please let me know the alte

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Shrinivasan T
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > > Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux > > > eclipse with PHP plugin -- dear, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open S

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
rearranging top post ... On 14-May-08, at 10:00 PM, senthilraja P wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 14-May-08, at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya wrote: Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux a text editor + knowledge

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Venkatraman S
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no editor is a substitute for knowledge of CSS, html and javascript. Learn > that first. This is the GNU/Linux way. > I do not subscribe to this PoV because it is a flawed logic in the RAD arena. The Q solicits an edi

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Thu, 15 May 2008, Venkatraman S wrote: > Also, i would be interested in knowing as to how this is the "GNU/Linux > Way". "The GNU/Linux Way" possibly refers to: You should not limit your freedom to Freedom 0 (Recall: Freedom 0 refers to the freedom to use software.)

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 14-May-08, at 10:48 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote: Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux eclipse with PHP plugin learn CSS, html and javascript and use any text editor. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ __

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread senthilraja P
> > > > Do note(again) that my observation is purely targetted at RAD developers > and > not those who develop mission-critical or high performance programs - in > the > latter, each and every line of te the program matters, and genreally these > are 'hand-coded'. > > Are you against RAD model? I f

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 15-May-08, at 9:51 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: no editor is a substitute for knowledge of CSS, html and javascript. Learn that first. This is the GNU/Linux way. I do not subscribe to this PoV because it is a

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 15-May-08, at 10:57 AM, senthilraja P wrote: Do note(again) that my observation is purely targetted at RAD developers and not those who develop mission-critical or high performance programs - in the latter, each and every line of te the program matters, and genreally these are 'hand-

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Venkatraman S
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > do you mean to say that there are two kinds of application development - > Rapid and ordinary? Like tatkal and ordinary in railway bookings? RAD does > not mean 'how quickly can I produce a page of css/html'. It mean

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 15-May-08, at 3:44 PM, Venkatraman S wrote: http://www.alistapart.com/ and check out how many of the authors of these articles use DW Ahh you are not getting my point at all - pointing to some website is not the name of the game. I am NOT against using a simple editor(instead of a

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 15-May-08, at 12:58 PM, Venkatraman S wrote: 1. mock-up in photoshop (gimp for us) Why you are doing this - effectively you should be writing a C/ASM which generates an array of number corresponding to the pixel values and then store it as a file. Some of my freinds in the monkeyland

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Venkatraman S
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > check this out: > > http://www.alistapart.com/ > > and check out how many of the authors of these articles use DW > > Ahh you are not getting my point at all - pointing to some website is not the name of the game.

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 11:09:39 May 15, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > do you mean to say that there are two kinds of application development - > Rapid and ordinary? Like tatkal and ordinary in railway bookings? RAD does > not mean 'how quickly can I produce a page of css/html'. It means how > quickly can I get a bug

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 15:36:17 May 15, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > http://www.alistapart.com/ > > and check out how many of the authors of these articles use DW > Basically you are being advised that there is really no alternative to taking pains in life... The corporate world and half baked techies are so full of

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Arnold Noronha
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > aha - I am *not* against using IDEs. I use quanta on linux and textmate on > mac for html. What I *am* against is using WYSIWYG editors for generating > html/css. If I click on 'list' in quanta I get the framework for a

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Venkatraman S
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > aha - I am *not* against using IDEs. I use quanta on linux and textmate on > mac for html. What I *am* against is using WYSIWYG editors for generating > html/css. If I click on 'list' in quanta I get the framework fo

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread S . Ramaswamy
> > I prefer to create a bulleted list like this: > > > {% for item in listitems %} > item.name > {% endfor %} > > > Hmm, that looks like Django. Come to think of it, why use a high level framework like that. Why not write plain sql statements, write plain html, write your own authentication sy

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: no editor is a substitute for knowledge of CSS, html and javascript. Learn that first. This is the GNU/Linux way. I believe the GNU/Linux way might be: do whatever you want, however you want it as long as you stick to the rules and limitations imposed by the licenses

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 15-May-08, at 10:20 PM, S.Ramaswamy wrote: Hmm, that looks like Django. Come to think of it, why use a high level framework like that. Why not write plain sql statements, write plain html, write your own authentication system, implement users and groups, etc and attempt to connect all of tha

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Arnold Noronha
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 15-May-08, at 10:20 PM, S.Ramaswamy wrote: > >> Hmm, that looks like Django. Come to think of it, why use a high level >> framework like that. Why not write plain sql statements, write plain >> html, write your ow

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Venkatraman S
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > let me put this in one line: > Do not trust anything that *generates* code. One should write all code > oneself. > "NEVER GENERALIZE" -- generalization are evil! Just curious - are you an ASM expert? Writing a webf

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Praveen A
2008/5/15 Venkatraman S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As you wont be using compiler/interpreters to 'generate' code. I thought you still need an assembler. - Praveen -- പ്രവീണ്‍ അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില്‍ I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Venkatraman S
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:17 AM, Praveen A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/5/15 Venkatraman S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > As you wont be using compiler/interpreters to 'generate' code. > > I thought you still need an assembler. > Ah! Eternal Damnation. but i think guys get the point; and hence ram

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 16-May-08, at 10:06 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: let me put this in one line: Do not trust anything that *generates* code. One should write all code oneself. "NEVER GENERALIZE" -- generalization are evil!

Re: [Ilugc] Re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-16 Thread Venkatraman S
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Ravi Jaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What did i asked you? an alternative tool. > but where did this thread is heading too. > thank God I didn't turn up to these thread for the past couple of days. > > By the way the good thing is most of our work is done, >

Re: [Ilugc] Re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-16 Thread Shuveb Hussain
Hm... On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Ravi Jaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux > > > This thread has effectively been hijacked. The

Re: [Ilugc] Re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-16 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 16-May-08, at 4:18 PM, Shuveb Hussain wrote: asking for an alternative to DW. Taking into account what DW does, if anyone can suggest an alternate tool that helps create static web pages visually, it would have helped our man. if you had checked the thread, you would have found suggest

Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-16 Thread sam sharma
" quanta plus " and "amaya" might help you On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > > Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver in GNU/Linux > > > cheers > > Ravi Jaya > ___ > To unsubscribe, email

Re: [Ilugc] Re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

2008-05-16 Thread Shuveb Hussain
Hi, On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The point is, that the nix philosophy being what it is, there are very > often no tools that give an exact alternative to the proprietary tool. The UNIX philosophy is several things. And several parts that mak