Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

White; imports@openstreetmap.org; Marten Hogeweg Subject: Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data Al, you've missed some important required steps before importing. Please stop until you can rectify this. ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetma

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

riginal Message- From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:40 PM To: Marten Hogeweg Cc: Ian Dees; Al Pascual; Christine White; imports@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Marten Hogeweg wrote: > Can

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

featured as 'best of OSM'. We do not see it as a data dump. Kind regards, Marten From: Ian Dees [mailto:ian.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:14 PM To: Al Pascual Cc: imports@openstreetmap.org; Christine White; Marten Hogeweg Subject: Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data H

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Hi Ian, We'd be happy to discuss and show the editor we've developed for ArcGIS users. We'd also like to understand your comment about parcel data better and hear more about such policies in OSM. We had not found info on this on the wiki or elsewhere. Would Thursday or Friday work for you? Say

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

I thought this had been stopped and reverted? I just found 44,000 empty nodes from this import still present in just a tiny part of northwest Arkansas from this changeset (and possibly others: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/7641907 Toby On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Serge Wrocl

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Michael Leibowitz wrote: > I would posit that in the US, imports have been important.  However, they > have had problems as you pointed out previously.  Couldn't it be the case > that imports can be better prosecuted with better tools such that their > utility goe

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

I think we need to be careful when we use the word "import", as it has such a loaded meaning on this list. Rather than thinking about a "continual import", we need to think about syncing. I haven't seen much in the way of tools for syncing OSM with external databases. It's been mentioned quite a b

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On 04/04/2011 10:56 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Michael Leibowitz mailto:michael.leibow...@intel.com>> wrote: If one were to make a one-time import, not only would they probably stomp on a lot of entries already existing, the data would become wrong eventual

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On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Michael Leibowitz < michael.leibow...@intel.com> wrote: > > Actually, I think the problems with imports have more to do with the way in > which data is imported than imports themselves. If the import is > duplicating or removing other's contributions without rhyme

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Michael Leibowitz < michael.leibow...@intel.com> wrote: > If one were to make a one-time import, not only would they probably stomp > on a lot of entries already existing, the data would become wrong > eventually. However, a continual import has value. Although s

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On 04/04/2011 10:03 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Michael Leibowitz wrote: On 03/28/2011 01:16 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Michael Leibowitz mailto:michael.leibow...@intel.com>> wrote: Here is a popular perspective from the OSM

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Michael Leibowitz < michael.leibow...@intel.com> wrote: > On 03/28/2011 01:16 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Michael Leibowitz < >> michael.leibow...@intel.com > wrote: >> >>Here is a popular pe

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- If I remember correctly, in the UK postcode data were (are?) not free (in any sense of the word), so someone decided to start trying to collect that data. I think it was one of OSM's first "project of the unit-of-time"? Either way, it was a good thing to get the community together and give an ex

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Michael Leibowitz wrote: > On 03/28/2011 01:16 PM, Ian Dees wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Michael Leibowitz >> mailto:michael.leibow...@intel.com>> wrote: >> >>        Here is a popular perspective from the OSM community, "If >>        parcel data >>

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On 03/28/2011 01:16 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Michael Leibowitz mailto:michael.leibow...@intel.com>> wrote: Here is a popular perspective from the OSM community, "If parcel data can't be measured, confirmed or improved by OSM editors, why

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ports] Importing Arkansas data I'll start the process of deleting the nodes once the block expires tomorrow. Thanks Al From: Nathan Mills [nat...@nwacg.net] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:25 PM To: Richard Weait; imports@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

I'll start the process of deleting the nodes once the block expires tomorrow. Thanks Al From: Nathan Mills [nat...@nwacg.net] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:25 PM To: Richard Weait; imports@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas

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- Original message - > Here is a popular perspective from the OSM community, "If parcel data > can't be measured, confirmed or improved by OSM editors, why import > it?"  Use it as an overlay somewhere, somehow. At least in my little corner of the world, the parcel data is public record, s

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Michael Leibowitz < michael.leibow...@intel.com> wrote: > Here is a popular perspective from the OSM community, "If parcel data >> can't be measured, confirmed or improved by OSM editors, why import >> it?" Use it as an overlay somewhere, somehow. >> > > What make

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On 03/28/2011 12:56 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Michael Leibowitz wrote: Was there indeed consensus that OSM having parcel data is bad irrespective of geography? If there were arguments with the position Ian took, they weren't shared here. Touche Here is a p

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Al Pascual wrote: > Turning off the import Al, your account was blocked by the sysadmins. You'll have to log in, and read the block messages to re-activate the account. ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.or

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Michael Leibowitz wrote: > Was there indeed consensus that OSM having parcel data is bad irrespective > of geography? If there were arguments with the position Ian took, they weren't shared here. Here is a popular perspective from the OSM community, "If parcel d

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On 03/28/2011 12:39 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Marten Hogeweg wrote: Can you clarify those essential steps? We have been following the best practices guidelines for importing data into OSM published on the wiki. Hmm, looks like you've missed a few. For starters

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Mike N wrote: > On 3/28/2011 3:29 PM, Josh Doe wrote: > >> Hmm, also is it just me or does it seem like everything that he's >> imported consists of nodes without any tags? I looked through a few of >> the changesets and didn't see any ways, >> > > This part is O

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

What do you think is the best way forward everybody, revert all of this and then discuss? Or evaluate and discuss, then revert if needed? If a reversion is required, earlier is easier; before other edits come in to play. ___ Imports mailing list Import

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On 3/28/2011 3:29 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Hmm, also is it just me or does it seem like everything that he's imported consists of nodes without any tags? I looked through a few of the changesets and didn't see any ways, This part is OK - in terms of an upload, nodes must be present to attach ways

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Turning off the import Cheers Al Sent from my iPhone 4 Please excuse terseness and typos. On Mar 28, 2011, at 12:41 PM, "Richard Weait" wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Al Pascual wrote: > >> Let us know if still you would like us to stop. > > Why, yes please. > > _

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Will your tool detect existing ways and not import over the top of them? I, for one, have realigned quite a few ways from the tiger import to match the ACF data, and have added several from ACF that were not in tiger at all. - Original message - > Richard, > > Our tool tags the nodes and

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Al Pascual wrote: > Let us know if still you would like us to stop. Why, yes please. ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Marten Hogeweg wrote: > Can you clarify those essential steps? We have been following the best > practices guidelines for importing data into OSM published on the wiki. Hmm, looks like you've missed a few. For starters, you, or Al, discussed a parcel import here

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Richard, Our tool tags the nodes and ways afterwards, so at the end the source and all the tags will be added as required. In the same subject, we have quite a lot if roads in Arkansas that do not show in OSM and was going to be the next step next week. Let us know if still you would like us

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On 03/28/2011 12:13 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Hi Al et al, I noticed ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Al%20Pascual/edits) that have decided to go forward with your parcel import even though we expressed our wishes that you do not (or at least that we talk about it more). I've noticed that in c

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On 3/28/2011 3:13 PM, Ian Dees wrote: before continuing dumping this data into OSM? I see that this previous question has not been answered - > Do you reupload the whole changeset (thus duplicating data)? The answer right now is "yes". (3/24 2, 3/25 2) __

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

o:ian.d...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 12:14 PM > *To:* Al Pascual > *Cc:* imports@openstreetmap.org; Christine White; Marten Hogeweg > *Subject:* Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data > > > > Hi Al et al, > > > > I noticed (http://www.openstreetmap.or

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Hmm, also is it just me or does it seem like everything that he's imported consists of nodes without any tags? I looked through a few of the changesets and didn't see any ways, and most disturbingly no tags at all on any of the nodes. -Josh On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > Hi A

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Al, you've missed some important required steps before importing. Please stop until you can rectify this. ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Hi Al et al, I noticed (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Al%20Pascual/edits) that have decided to go forward with your parcel import even though we expressed our wishes that you do not (or at least that we talk about it more). Can you at least answer the questions I posed earlier before continui

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I created a stub on the wiki about parcels, though I haven't added anything new to the discussion. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel -Josh On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Ian Dees wrote: >> >> To clarify what I meant about parcel data:

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On the subject of arkansas, I was working on the norfork lake and the gov hydrology data would be well worth importing http://www.mail-archive.com/imports@openstreetmap.org/msg00380.html http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/361097 http://water.usgs.gov/GIS/dsdl/ds240/polygon/g36092.zip

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > > To clarify what I meant about parcel data: I'm assuming you mean parcels in > terms of household property boundaries. This data is difficult to fit into > the OSM data model because it a) updates frequently and b) has an "official" > source tha

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

I'm interested in this as well. I've imported about a dozen parcel boundaries near me to experiment with, and it is difficult to work with. In an ideal world fences would always line up with boundaries, or there would be clear changes in land cover, however this is rarely the case. As much as I lov

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Hi Marten, I'd be happy to have a discussion somewhere public (as my opinion is one of many) like IRC or on this mailing list. To clarify what I meant about parcel data: I'm assuming you mean parcels in terms of household property boundaries. This data is difficult to fit into the OSM data model

Re: [Imports] Importing Arkansas data

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Al Pascual wrote: > Imports, > > > > The state of Arkansas provided the data in shapefiles to be uploaded to > OpenStreetMaps, we prepared the parcel data > I think that we (as a community) have decided that parcel data is not useful to us. Parcel boundaries are

[Imports] Importing Arkansas data

Imports, The state of Arkansas provided the data in shapefiles to be uploaded to OpenStreetMaps, we prepared the parcel data to be uploaded making sure they are not duplicates of parcel data in Arkansas, also we have all road data for the state that we will like to upload, we wrote a tool that