Hi Alberto,
V út, 10. 07. 2007 v 20:55, Alberto Ruiz píše:
>
> So they are people opened to choose, most Linux people have tried
> FreeBSD, BeOS, etc... they like to try things. We don't want to lock
> them, the choice is up to them, we just attract them and show them,
> that OpenSolaris have fe
Hi Doug,
V út, 10. 07. 2007 v 19:05, Doug Scott píše:
> Milan Jurik wrote:
> > By increasing usability. Not by duplicating utilities in the core. If
> > they cannot really live without it, they will find it. Just give them
> > chance. They are not stupid.
> >
>
> You do have to ask though, why
Hi Doug,
> In that case just throw Solaris Express over the wall, and re-name it
> Open Solaris.
>
> If you call RBAC cheaper and quicker, them maybe you have not
> implemented it before. For a home user it would be almost the same as
> asking them to implement a NIS+ domain for their laptop.
Hi Eric,
I'm sorry that I selected your e-mail for this, but:
V út, 10. 07. 2007 v 18:09, Eric Boutilier píše:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Simon Phipps wrote:
> >
> > I'm with Tim and Doug on this one.
>
> Me too.
>
> > The principle I believe we need to
> > follow in making the perfect Solaris for
Milan Jurik wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> V út, 10. 07. 2007 v 19:05, Doug Scott píše:
>
>> Milan Jurik wrote:
>>
>>> By increasing usability. Not by duplicating utilities in the core. If
>>> they cannot really live without it, they will find it. Just give them
>>> chance. They are not stupid.
>>>
Milan Jurik wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
>
>> In that case just throw Solaris Express over the wall, and re-name it
>> Open Solaris.
>>
>> If you call RBAC cheaper and quicker, them maybe you have not
>> implemented it before. For a home user it would be almost the same as
>> asking them to implement
> In that case just throw Solaris Express over the
> wall, and re-name it
> Open Solaris.
>
> If you call RBAC cheaper and quicker, them maybe you
> have not
> implemented it before. For a home user it would be
> almost the same as
> asking them to implement a NIS+ domain for their
> laptop.
Milan Jurik wrote:
>> During the whole discussion, we have came up with really interesting
>> ways to not just clone GNU. However, when we don't have something that
>> GNU has, we should take it. I don't see how you have came up to the
>> conclusion that we are going to just clone the GNU userland,
Ivan Wang wrote:
>
>
>> In that case just throw Solaris Express over the
>> wall, and re-name it
>> Open Solaris.
>>
>> If you call RBAC cheaper and quicker, them maybe you
>> have not
>> implemented it before. For a home user it would be
>> almost the same as
>> asking them to implement a N
On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Milan Jurik wrote:
> Did somebody ask why there are two (or three) the most growing user's
> bases (ignoring MS Windows, as there is another reason):
>
> a) (X|K)Ubuntu (or PCLinuxOS)
>
> b) Mac OS X
>
> Eric, I think you can easily find some of your colleagues who are
2007/7/11, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hey,
Dave Miner wrote:
>> legacy_run 17:22:09 lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S52imq
>> legacy_run 17:22:09 lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S80mipagent
>> legacy_run 17:22:09 lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S84appserv
>>
>>
>> I would make an effort to port all this legacy_run
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Tim Bray wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Eric Boutilier wrote:
>
>> what I see resulting (from the
>> Indiana/SX-NG/OpenSolaris/Whatever New Distro Project) is a
>> distro that is vastly different (and vastly to my liking) from
>> Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE, etc.
>
> Care to e
2007/7/11, Milan Jurik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi Alberto,
V út, 10. 07. 2007 v 20:55, Alberto Ruiz píše:
>
> So they are people opened to choose, most Linux people have tried
> FreeBSD, BeOS, etc... they like to try things. We don't want to lock
> them, the choice is up to them, we just attract
Hi Tim,
V st, 11. 07. 2007 v 13:34, Tim Bray píše:
> On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Milan Jurik wrote:
>
> > Did somebody ask why there are two (or three) the most growing user's
> > bases (ignoring MS Windows, as there is another reason):
> >
> > a) (X|K)Ubuntu (or PCLinuxOS)
> >
> > b) Mac OS X
>
Hi Alberto,
> There is a OpenSolaris distribution with no sudo and no gnu tools
> already, is called Solaris Express, if you like how it is, use it.
>
And there is OpenSolaris distribution with sudo and GNU tools already,
it is called Nexenta.
And in my Solaris Express, I already have all GNU t
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Tim Bray wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Milan Jurik wrote:
>
>> Did somebody ask why there are two (or three) the most growing user's
>> bases (ignoring MS Windows, as there is another reason):
>>
>> a) (X|K)Ubuntu (or PCLinuxOS)
>>
>> b) Mac OS X
>>
>> Eric, I think
Hi Eric,
> > I'm a longtime Linux guy, and when I'm in a terminal window on OS X, I
> > basically can't tell the difference from Linux. If I want to do
> > system-oriented stuff, there are some issues, but you'd expect that.
> > But all my usual commands for moving around, looking at things, seei
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Milan Jurik wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
>>> I'm a longtime Linux guy, and when I'm in a terminal window on OS X, I
>>> basically can't tell the difference from Linux. If I want to do
>>> system-oriented stuff, there are some issues, but you'd expect that.
>>> But all my usual commands
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Eric Boutilier wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Milan Jurik wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>>
I'm a longtime Linux guy, and when I'm in a terminal window on OS X, I
basically can't tell the difference from Linux. If I want to do
system-oriented stuff, there are some issues, bu
2007/7/11, Milan Jurik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi Alberto,
> There is a OpenSolaris distribution with no sudo and no gnu tools
> already, is called Solaris Express, if you like how it is, use it.
>
And there is OpenSolaris distribution with sudo and GNU tools already,
it is called Nexenta.
And i
Hi Eric,
> P.S. It hit me that my post might come off as sarcasm (e.g. in saying,
> "I admit to having total, blind-faith..."). IMO, using sarcasm in
> forums such as this is almost always a bad idea. So no sarcasm was
> intended -- I was being serious.
You missed my point ;-) For how long did yo
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Milan Jurik wrote:
> ... you are just
> waiting for GNU userland, including all mistakes it has...
Sorry, I'm not sure I know what you mean by that part.
Also is this this drifting into a conversation we should take
off-list?
Eric
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:05:10 +0200
Milan Jurik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> Again, I'm not saying that our tools are great, I'm saying that
> duplications are bad, create big mess and big troubles in consitency and
> maintaining.
[...]
Like oawk, awk, nwak. Or maybe a bunch of the stuff in
On 11-Jul-07, at 5:37 AM, Eric Boutilier wrote:
On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Milan Jurik wrote:
No, but command-line utilities are important for *developers*.
And system egineer/admins too.
I'm not sure if anyone has used AIX recently, but I feel strongly
that we should learn from smit. B
On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:55 AM, Eric Boutilier wrote:
> Nevertheless, I think I see your point, and probably the following
> wording would have been better for my post:
>
> The Indiana/SX-NG/OpenSolaris/Whatever New Distro Project will
> be a
> certain assemblage of OpenSolaris (Nevada) cod
> On 11-Jul-07, at 5:37 AM, Eric Boutilier wrote:
>
> >> On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Milan Jurik wrote:
> >> No, but command-line utilities are important for *developers*.
> >
> > And system egineer/admins too.
>
> I'm not sure if anyone has used AIX recently, but I feel strongly
> that we sho
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Tim Bray wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:55 AM, Eric Boutilier wrote:
>
>> Nevertheless, I think I see your point, and probably the following
>> wording would have been better for my post:
>>
>>The Indiana/SX-NG/OpenSolaris/Whatever New Distro Project will be a
>>certain
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> from a
> pure resource management perspective, it would seem the best solution is
> to remove your team's OpenGL from Solaris altogether and ship Mesa on both
> platforms. This would also give customers the same OpenGL interfaces on
> both platforms, though without hardw
> But Indiana should be base for all distributions, to have the same basics for
> everybody.
That's what I see being a good idea. If the Linux kernel is the center of all
Linux distros, I think a core Solaris distro could/should be the center of all
Solaris distros.
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