Re: [indiana-discuss] LiveCD login user?

2007-11-01 Thread Jesse L Silver
Cool your jets bro. Read from opensolaris.org: "It is not a final release and is intended for developers to try, test, and provide feedback." If you'd like to help ensure that the final release is flawless, put your brains before your mouth and get involved in the project. On 11/1/07, Aqua Fyr

[indiana-discuss] root login fails

2007-11-01 Thread Duncan Groenewald
Hi - I just installed Indiana and everything went smoothly until I tried to run "pkg refresh" while logged in as a user (not root). I then tried logging in as root and was unable to. I tried re-installing and double checked the password I used for root but was still unable to log in as root af

Re: [indiana-discuss] LiveCD login user?

2007-11-01 Thread Aqua Fyre
"Jack" Pehaps it should be "Jack-Ass" for the stupidity shown by the Solaris Indiana group. For God's sake people, it's meant to be a "Live CD"... which means it should generally boot into a live session WITHOUT any user name or password required. Take a look at just about any live Linux Dis

Re: [indiana-discuss] A Review of OpenSolaris Developer Preview 1 {aka Indiana distro}

2007-11-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Ken Mays wrote: > Some apps which may help make the OpenSolaris desktop experience a little > nicer: > > 1. update to Xscreensaver 5.03 (webcollage and PAM support!) The Xscreensaver in OpenSolaris/Solaris already has full PAM support, which is complicating this upgrade since there's a lot of co

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread John Falkenthal
Same problem here; using Toshiba Tecra M2 laptop, no combination of font configuration settings (dpi, smoothing, hinting, etc.) made any significant difference. Here's a quick digital camera shot of how it looks: http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3946/indianafontvu2.jpg -- This message poste

Re: [indiana-discuss] A Review of OpenSolaris Developer Preview 1 {aka Indiana distro}

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Ken Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3. Add beagle (search), tomboy, freecell, blackjack, and aisleriot > 4. Optional: add Fspot and Serpentine (best of breed here) Some of these things could be added to a 3rd party repo; but beware to those who do thanks to patent-encumbrance-by-y

Re: [indiana-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 21:12 -0700, John Plocher wrote: > I am telling another $foo distro maker that all the $foo distros > are either compatible, derivative or incompatible $foo distross, > as defined by the OpenSolaris community. In addition, the OpenSolaris > community itself produces a distro

Re: [indiana-discuss] [ogb-discuss] [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >No. We need a decision before then. 2 weeks may be too short, 6 months > >is way too long. > > Since "a distro named OpenSolaris" is out now, I'd +1 sooner rather than > later. Ditto. -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OGB member CEO, My Onlin

Re: [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread John Plocher
Brandorr wrote: > Now you are telling another $foo distro maker, that all the other $foo > distro makers that they are marginal $foo players. And that only Sun > can make a real $foo distro? > > Am I misinterpreting your statement? Yes. I'm trying to say: I am telling another $foo distro maker

Re: [indiana-discuss] RFE's for Indiana

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Ché Kristo wrote: > Hi all, > > just wondering whether defects.opensoalris.org is the place where we would > log RFE's against Indiana or whether we should use > http://bugs.opensolaris.org/ for RFE's? Just log them all in defects.opensolaris.org for the moment. Thanks! Glynn ___

[indiana-discuss] RFE's for Indiana

2007-11-01 Thread Ché Kristo
Hi all, just wondering whether defects.opensoalris.org is the place where we would log RFE's against Indiana or whether we should use http://bugs.opensolaris.org/ for RFE's? Thanks for your help, Ché -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [indiana-discuss] What's the user name & passwd for text installation?!

2007-11-01 Thread Jason King
root is setup as a role which by definition (on solaris) means you cannot login to them, only su. On 11/1/07, Marc Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > try username jack and login jack > and you can su from there using "opensolaris" as the password > > Not sure why you can't login is as root, I h

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Tim Bray
On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:52 PM, MC wrote: >> The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. >> Is this a bug? >> Tim >> ___ >> indiana-discuss mailing list >> indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-d >

Re: [indiana-discuss] What's the user name & passwd for text installation?!

2007-11-01 Thread Jason King
On 11/1/07, Xizhi Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, all! > > I'm trying to install Indiana from the text mode, but when I tried the user > name "root" and password "opensolaris", it says: > > Roles can only be assumed by authorized users > Login incorrect > > Who knows the proper user name and

Re: [indiana-discuss] What's the user name & passwd for text installation?!

2007-11-01 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Xizhi Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-11-02 02:52]: > Hi, all! > > I'm trying to install Indiana from the text mode, but when I tried the user > name "root" and password "opensolaris", it says: > > Roles can only be assumed by authorized users > Login incorrect > > Who knows the proper user na

[indiana-discuss] The OpenSolaris look (not Nimbus?)

2007-11-01 Thread Andrew Dolder
Time to get non-technical. When I installed the Nevada builds, I thought the look was pretty clever. Start button at the bottom right, distinctive looking colors and appearance, etc. I felt at home with all of the aesthetic appeal. In fact, I hated GNOME until I tried Nevada. I applaud the Nimbus

Re: [indiana-discuss] [ogb-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread John Plocher
Alan Burlison wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> I agree two weeks seems arbitrarily short, but given the timelines, >> think that December/January-ish is about as late as we can push it >> unless Indiana agrees to choose another name for it's March release. > > My post was a proposal, a stake

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread MC
> The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. > Is this a bug? > Tim > ___ > indiana-discuss mailing list > indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-d > iscuss Yep, no matter what settings I chan

[indiana-discuss] What's the user name & passwd for text installation?!

2007-11-01 Thread Xizhi Zhu
Hi, all! I'm trying to install Indiana from the text mode, but when I tried the user name "root" and password "opensolaris", it says: Roles can only be assumed by authorized users Login incorrect Who knows the proper user name and passwd that I can use?? Thanks! -- This message posted from o

Re: [indiana-discuss] Default Shell

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 15:04 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: >> http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~gfoster/shell-choice.png > > So obviously we should make the same editor GUI reachable during the > initial install. > > But in any event, the user properties that are most annoying to c

Re: [indiana-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview First Impressions

2007-11-01 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 11/1/07, Aaron Newcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - What is the root password? Shouldn't this be better documented? > Especially if I need to manually repartition my hard drive to install on > a multiboot system. I guessed this and it worked. $ pfexec bash # -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.

Re: [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Jyri Virkki
Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Where is a documentation on how to integrate? > > SFW uses a strange makefilesystem that as very limited and does not seem to > allow do what's needed. > > Send a description that is correct and complete anough and it should take 5 > minutes. There is a process to co

Re: [indiana-discuss] Default Shell

2007-11-01 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 15:04 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: > http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~gfoster/shell-choice.png So obviously we should make the same editor GUI reachable during the initial install. But in any event, the user properties that are most annoying to change later -- and uid tops that list

Re: [indiana-discuss] Default Shell

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Of course, the other tools for creating new users such as useradd(1M) > and users-admin(1) already include the ability to select a shell for > the new user. http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~gfoster/shell-choice.png Glynn ___ in

Re: [indiana-discuss] A Review of OpenSolaris Developer Preview 1 {aka Indiana distro}

2007-11-01 Thread Ken Mays
Some apps which may help make the OpenSolaris desktop experience a little nicer: 1. update to Xscreensaver 5.03 (webcollage and PAM support!) 2. Add Xsane , Bluetooth Analyzer 3. Add beagle (search), tomboy, freecell, blackjack, and aisleriot 4. Optional: add Fspot and Serpentine (best of breed he

Re: [indiana-discuss] Default Shell

2007-11-01 Thread David . Comay
> So, has it be determined that bash will be the default shell for Indiana, or > could it still be switched to ksh93 (With an easy option for bash when you > create your initial user maybe) Bash was selected for this preview as an experiment since there seemed to be a consensus that having a fam

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Tim Bray wrote: > On Nov 1, 2007, at 6:19 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: > >> On 01/11/2007, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. Is this a bug? >> Must be a bug relatively specific to your configuration. Anti-aliasing >> was active on my ins

Re: [indiana-discuss] OpenSolaris won't start the X Server

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Dennis Martin Herbers wrote: > You don't want me to try OpenSolaris, do you: We *absolutely* do, unfortunately we know it's no where near the quality that people expect it to be. If you still have issues, please please please log bugs - it's the only way right now that we know certain things

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Tim Bray
On Nov 1, 2007, at 6:19 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 01/11/2007, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. Is this a bug? > > Must be a bug relatively specific to your configuration. Anti-aliasing > was active on my install at 1400x1050 resolution

Re: [indiana-discuss] /bin/sh and bash - deep disappointment

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 11/1/07, Lurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A developer would know how to change his/her environment to use a shell of > >> his/her choice, some prefer tcsh, some zsh, some ksh, others bash. I'm all > >> for having bash as the defa

Re: [indiana-discuss] [caiman-discuss] /bin/sh and bash - deep disappointment

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Jennifer Pioch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/1/07, Lurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Writing scripts with the assumption that /bin/sh is ksh93 is in itself a > > very bad idea. And you can always do #!/usr/bin/ksh93 > > Why? Did you even try the alternative or are you just s

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. Is this a bug? Must be a bug relatively specific to your configuration. Anti-aliasing was active on my install at 1400x1050 resolution. -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst http://

Re: [indiana-discuss] [caiman-discuss] /bin/sh and bash - deep disappointment

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Chris Pickett wrote: > On 11/1/07, Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jennifer Pioch wrote: >>> /bin/sh -c 'print ${.sh.version}' >>> /bin/sh: bad substitution >>> >>> I hoped Indiana would improve things and deliver the ksh 93 as >>> /bin/sh, but no, it is just the same bourne shell as in

Re: [indiana-discuss] Building indiana

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey Mark, Mark Phalan wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 11:13 -0400, Dave Miner wrote: >> Mark Phalan wrote: >>> How can I generate my own indiana iso (identical to the in-preview.iso)? >>> I'd like to have a look to see what it would take to get it booting >>> under xvm. >>> >> hg clone ssh://[EMAIL

Re: [indiana-discuss] Default Shell

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Henrik Johansson wrote: > This flirt with the Linux community could have quite bad consequences, the > scenario that Roland painted out in his mail looks quite bad*, large machines > that would have to do waste lots of resources due to cross-calls for every > exec etc? So i can honestly not s

Re: [indiana-discuss] My experience with Indiana - First cut

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Calum Benson wrote: > On 1 Nov 2007, at 23:30, Glynn Foster wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> EngCheng wrote: >>> 1. For some reason, I don't know why there's 2 "show desktop" >>> icons on >>> my Desktop, one at top-right and one at bottom-left. >> Oh really? I'd like to see a screenshot if you could upl

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Tim Bray wrote: > Glynn Foster wrote: >> Tim Bray wrote: >> >>> The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. Is this a bug? >> If you open up the System > Preferences > Appearance menu entry, select the >> 'Fonts' tab, and select 'Subpixel smoothing' does it help? >> > Yes, but i

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana - kudos and a suggestion or two

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Kevin, > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > On 01/11/2007, Kevin Prigge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Something mail delivery system needs to start up or you'll lose output > >>> from cron and other > system apps. > >> I realize that there nee

Re: [indiana-discuss] Dear Ian, why was /sbin/sh not updated to ksh93?

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Jason King wrote: > What would be the process for Indiana to get this changed before the > next release? Log a bug if there's not one already. Talking to David Comay would be good too, and figuring out what work is needed for it to happen. David? Glynn _

Re: [indiana-discuss] Partitions & grub

2007-11-01 Thread Rich Burridge
Tim Bray wrote: > I used format/fdisk to make a new solaris partition and installed on > it, no problem. But Grub doesn't see the other two bootable > partitions, one XP and one Ubuntu. I don't see anything under the > admin menus to address this. Is this a bug? > I went through a simi

Re: [indiana-discuss] Dear Ian, why was /sbin/sh not updated to ksh93?

2007-11-01 Thread Jason King
On 11/1/07, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Mr. Murdock, what is the justification for not updating /sbin/sh to > >> ksh93? I filed myself CR 6551714 which was fixed in B65. This was the > >> last bug which blocked the update of /sbin/sh to ksh93. Since B

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 17:11 -0700, Tim Bray wrote: > Yes, but it still looks really crappy compared to either Mac or Ubuntu. -T if you have a 1920x1200 or similar large display hooked up to an nvidia card, it may be the "nv" open-source driver screwing up (the nvidia closed-source driver gets thi

Re: [indiana-discuss] My experience with Indiana - First cut

2007-11-01 Thread Calum Benson
On 1 Nov 2007, at 23:30, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > EngCheng wrote: >> >> 1. For some reason, I don't know why there's 2 "show desktop" >> icons on >> my Desktop, one at top-right and one at bottom-left. > > Oh really? I'd like to see a screenshot if you could upload it > somewhere. The

Re: [indiana-discuss] Parallels 5160 and Indiana

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Ferry
I didn't have the particular problem that you are describing, I was getting attach to network interface error messages on VM start. A co-worker had noticed some hang problems with other apps. It seemed to work much better with the beta. http://www.parallels.com/en/download/desktop/beta/ The par

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Tim Bray
Glynn Foster wrote: > Tim Bray wrote: > >> The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. Is this a bug? > If you open up the System > Preferences > Appearance menu entry, select the > 'Fonts' tab, and select 'Subpixel smoothing' does it help? > Yes, but it still looks really crappy

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Jon Trulson
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Jon Trulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is obvious that if Sun calls a distro "OpenSolaris", many people believe that this is the one and only. FWIW, as a third party that develops software on Solaris, I would welcome an 'OpenSolaris Refere

Re: [indiana-discuss] A Review of OpenSolaris Developer Preview 1 {aka Indiana distro}

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Ken Mays wrote: > A small review of the Indiana reference distro. Awesome - thanks for this Ken. Could you file bugs on a few of these please, defect.opensolaris.org. For some of them, because of the re-distributability goal, we've not been able to provide them by default eg. Realplayer. Glynn

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana - kudos and a suggestion or two

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey Kevin, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 01/11/2007, Kevin Prigge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Something mail delivery system needs to start up or you'll lose output from >>> cron and other > system apps. >> I realize that there needs to be some kind of mailer, but having it listen >> on tcp/25 and

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Tim Bray wrote: > The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. Is this a bug? If you open up the System > Preferences > Appearance menu entry, select the 'Fonts' tab, and select 'Subpixel smoothing' does it help? I've also noticed the fonts on Firefox not being the best either. I agr

Re: [indiana-discuss] A Review of OpenSolaris Developer Preview 1 {aka Indiana distro}

2007-11-01 Thread ken mays
Ken Mays wrote: >> Evolution is on there, and so is Thunderbird. > > Ah, I did see evolution 2.20.0 using CLI but not in the GUI - so this explains why. So, is this a valid bug to say it is missing in the GUI? ;o) > It's in the menus, Applications->Internet. If you're wishing for an icon on

Re: [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Casper . Dik
>On 01/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Sorry, but that would not be true. Indiana is the result of work from >> >more than just Sun folks. It includes ksh93 for example, and it >> >includes efforts by other non-Sun affiliated folks as well. Calling it >> >Sun OpenSolaris

[indiana-discuss] Indiana fonts

2007-11-01 Thread Tim Bray
The fonts are all spidery, there's no anti-aliasing. Is this a bug? -Tim ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss

Re: [indiana-discuss] [caiman-discuss] Indiana, just a Linux clone with different kernel?

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Jennifer Pioch wrote: > I thought Indiana is not a Linux clone and makes better choices, yes? > Maybe not and the Indiana developers - whoever they are - are just > resistant against any community input. Indiana appears to be a Linux > clone with Solaris kernel, GNU tools and no real improvements

Re: [indiana-discuss] Partitions & grub

2007-11-01 Thread Tim Bray
I used format/fdisk to make a new solaris partition and installed on it, no problem. But Grub doesn't see the other two bootable partitions, one XP and one Ubuntu. I don't see anything under the admin menus to address this. Is this a bug? -Tim ___

Re: [indiana-discuss] IPS and OSDP, where are the rest of the packages

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Cyril Plisko wrote: > On Nov 1, 2007 10:39 PM, Stephen Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes. Unfortunately, we're still getting them ready. I'll send an >> update once we've started pushing more things to pkg.opensolaris.org. >> > > If *I* want to push some package to pkg.opensolaris

Re: [indiana-discuss] Dear Ian, why was /sbin/sh not updated to ksh93?

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Mr. Murdock, what is the justification for not updating /sbin/sh to >> ksh93? I filed myself CR 6551714 which was fixed in B65. This was the >> last bug which blocked the update of /sbin/sh to ksh93. Since B65 I am >> using ksh93 as /sbin/sh and it works. Why was the I

Re: [indiana-discuss] Project Indiana milestone reached!

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey all, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> Not sure what you mean by stuck ... > > Late night sysadmin error .. I am not even remotely stuck at all. > > Its working just fine : > > The installation went smooth : > > http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0061/images/OpenSolaris_Indiana_207.jpg > >

Re: [indiana-discuss] My experience with Indiana - First cut

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, EngCheng wrote: > Hi. I've just finished the exciting journey of installing Indiana. > Watched with all excitement, I saw screens of text scrolling through and > finally, I was greeted with a blue login screen. > > Huh? What's the username and password? I don't know. After some rounds > of s

Re: [indiana-discuss] [caiman-discuss] Indiana, just a Linux clone with different kernel?

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Elling
Stefan Teleman wrote: > Jennifer Pioch wrote: > > >> I thought Indiana is not a Linux clone and makes better choices, yes? >> Maybe not and the Indiana developers - whoever they are - are just >> resistant against any community input. Indiana appears to be a Linux >> clone with Solaris kernel, G

Re: [indiana-discuss] Project Indiana milestone reached!

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Otan wrote: > So, having GNU utilities as default is a feature? O well, I have no > right to contest that. But confusion is my worst enemy. What is the > identity of opensolaris now? Is it a true Unix or it isn't unix anymore > because of the "Gnu's Not Unix" user land? This is just a previe

Re: [indiana-discuss] [caiman-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana milestone reached!

2007-11-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Roland Mainz wrote: > I only did a quick look: > - Many locales are missing. IMO it may be nice to ship (limited to one > per country to restrict disk space requirements): > "C" > "en_US.UTF-8" (as default, following the default for SuSE Linux and > RedHat) > "ja_JP.UTF-8" (for japan) >

Re: [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] screwdrivers - Re: [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/1/07, Derek Cicero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: > > >>> This is also a good example as "gimme a screwdriver" has the same level > > >

Re: [indiana-discuss] My experience with Indiana - First cut

2007-11-01 Thread Chris Mahan
On 11/1/07, EngCheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That's all! I do look forward to the improvised revision. But, but, this was the improvised version!!! It's a joke, laugh, all you tense people... -- Chris Mahan http://www.christophermahan.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell 818.

Re: [indiana-discuss] screwdrivers - Re: [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > This is also a good example as "gimme a screwdriver" has the same level > > > of incompleteness as "gimme OpenSolaris". > > > > The Linux world asserts that this is

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana - kudos and a suggestion or two

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Kevin Prigge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Something mail delivery system needs to start up or you'll lose output from > > cron and other > system apps. > > I realize that there needs to be some kind of mailer, but having it listen on > tcp/25 and tcp/587 by default is kind of ugl

Re: [indiana-discuss] indiana

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 31/10/2007, Yunpu Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wanna get some information for it :) http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/ -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all junctio

Re: [indiana-discuss] A Review of OpenSolaris Developer Preview 1 {aka Indiana distro}

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken Mays wrote: > >> Evolution is on there, and so is Thunderbird. > > > > Ah, I did see evolution 2.20.0 using CLI but not in the GUI - so this > > explains why. So, is this a valid bug to say it is missing in the GUI? ;o) > > > > It's in the

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/1/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 01/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Sorry, but that would not be true. Indiana is the result of work from > > > >more than just Sun folks. It includes ksh93 fo

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Brandorr
On 11/1/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Sorry, but that would not be true. Indiana is the result of work from > > >more than just Sun folks. It includes ksh93 for example, and it > > >includes efforts by other non-Sun af

[indiana-discuss] Parallels 5160 and Indiana

2007-11-01 Thread William Pool
Hello, first after throwing Indiana on an old laptop, this product is amazing kudos to everyone getting it released! I decided to get it installed on my VM with OS X Leopard & Parallels 5160. I've tried various attempts during the install, but during the kernel boot up it freezes at: "Use

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [Dropping [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] since this is getting way off topic.] > > > > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> star is sti

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd say, rather, that Sun had its hands full with launching the whole > > opensolaris effort, and didn't have the time, resources, connections > > to the right people and/or legal ability to do t

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Mario Goebbels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I guess the point I was trying to make but forgot to add is that > >> OpenSolaris as baseline compatibility tag is now wasted, unless the > >> naming decision is reverted. > > > > How so? A name can have multiple meanings as we have alre

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sara Dornsife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > As other distros cannot use the brand name, it would be bad if Sun used > > > it. > > > > > > > We have been discussing TM guidelines and usage scenarios for the past > > two weeks. We are

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ubuntu thrived despite Debian's long years of existence. > > > > Slackware continues despite RedHat's rise. > > > > SUSE continues despite RedHat. > > > > Mandraiva continues despite ... etc.

Re: [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 31/10/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is obvious that if Sun calls a distro "OpenSolaris", many people

Re: [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Shawn Walker
On 01/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Sorry, but that would not be true. Indiana is the result of work from > >more than just Sun folks. It includes ksh93 for example, and it > >includes efforts by other non-Sun affiliated folks as well. Calling it > >Sun OpenSolaris would

Re: [indiana-discuss] IPS and OSDP, where are the rest of the packages

2007-11-01 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Cyril Plisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-11-01 22:02]: > On Nov 1, 2007 11:51 PM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 01/11/2007, Cyril Plisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 1, 2007 10:39 PM, Stephen Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes. Unfortunately, we'r

Re: [indiana-discuss] Indiana - kudos and a suggestion or two

2007-11-01 Thread Kevin Prigge
> Something mail delivery system needs to start up or you'll lose output from > cron and other > system apps. I realize that there needs to be some kind of mailer, but having it listen on tcp/25 and tcp/587 by default is kind of ugly. > That said, I'd love to have it replaced by default with so

Re: [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Brandorr
On 10/31/07, John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Bochnig wrote: > >> This is like calling the automobiles built in the BMW Factory "BMWs". > > > > Only when considering the 2nd layer (the distro-creating projects and > > associated ones, rather than OS/Net src base maintainers). > > Th

Re: [indiana-discuss] IPS and OSDP, where are the rest of the packages

2007-11-01 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Cyril Plisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-11-01 21:50]: > On Nov 1, 2007 10:39 PM, Stephen Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. Unfortunately, we're still getting them ready. I'll send an > > update once we've started pushing more things to pkg.opensolaris.org. > > If *I* want to push so

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Trust: Trademark, Sun and the Community

2007-11-01 Thread John Sonnenschein
On 11/1/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/11/2007, John Sonnenschein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Indiana's just a developer preview, the name can be revoked for the > > general release or next preview without causing too much harm > > That is assuming of course that anyone here

Re: [indiana-discuss] [ogb-discuss] [osol-discuss] Trust: Trademark, Sun and the Community

2007-11-01 Thread John Sonnenschein
Indiana's just a developer preview, the name can be revoked for the general release or next preview without causing too much harm On 11/1/07, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Carlson wrote: > > John Sonnenschein writes: > >> Note that this is quite aside from how I or anyone else f

Re: [indiana-discuss] screwdrivers - Re: [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > This is also a good example as "gimme a screwdriver" has the same level > > of incompleteness as "gimme OpenSolaris". > > The Linux world asserts that this is a feature. Do you see it as a > bug or a feature for OpenSolaris? T

Re: [indiana-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Move /usr/gnu/bin to front of path, add /sbin

2007-11-01 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 10:33:47AM -0400, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > If a "GNU compliant" environment were to become a first-class or default > environment on solaris (in other words, if we expect a significant > fraction of users to put /usr/gnu/bin in $PATH), I'd think that a > logical extension o

[indiana-discuss] screwdrivers - Re: [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread John Plocher
Joerg Schilling wrote: > This is also a good example as "gimme a screwdriver" has the same level > of incompleteness as "gimme OpenSolaris". The Linux world asserts that this is a feature. Do you see it as a bug or a feature for OpenSolaris? If it is a bug (as I believe), how do we fix it? If

Re: [indiana-discuss] [caiman-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Move /usr/gnu/bin to front of path, add /sbin

2007-11-01 Thread Bart Smaalders
James Carlson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> BTW, for those of you throwing stones at Dave Miner, please redirect >> those stones towards me as I was the one who asked him to make the >> change to the installer such that the default user would have >> /usr/gnu/bin at the front of their PATH.

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] Trust: Trademark, Sun and the Community

2007-11-01 Thread James Carlson
John Sonnenschein writes: > Note that this is quite aside from how I or anyone else feels with > respect to the name. I'm not asking for the name "OpenSolaris" to be > attached to the indiana project or the contrary, I'm asking the OGB, > whose job it is to stand up for the community to urge Sun to

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] Trust: Trademark, Sun and the Community

2007-11-01 Thread John Sonnenschein
On 11/1/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Sonnenschein writes: > > Note that this is quite aside from how I or anyone else feels with > > respect to the name. I'm not asking for the name "OpenSolaris" to be > > attached to the indiana project or the contrary, I'm asking the OGB, >

[indiana-discuss] indiana

2007-11-01 Thread Yunpu Zhu
I wanna get some information for it :) -- ** Yunpu Zhu Master of Science Candidate Department of Mathematics and Computer Science SUN Campus Ambassador Webmaster, Graduate Student Association University of Lethbridge Office:(403)317 - 2831 Email :[EMAIL

Re: [indiana-discuss] [ogb-discuss] [caiman-discuss] Move /usr/gnu/bin to front of path, add /sbin

2007-11-01 Thread James Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > BTW, for those of you throwing stones at Dave Miner, please redirect > those stones towards me as I was the one who asked him to make the > change to the installer such that the default user would have > /usr/gnu/bin at the front of their PATH. Although I appreciate hea

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] Trust: Trademark, Sun and the Community

2007-11-01 Thread John Sonnenschein
fair enough Revision 1.1: change "contributors and core contributors" to "core contributors" On 11/1/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/11/2007, John Sonnenschein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I propose that we as a community implore Sun to hold a vote on the > > issue, open to

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > You make an important mistake here: Indiana is not a community initated > > distro but a _Sun_ initiated one. > > You keep asserting this, as if anything done with or by people working > for Sun has no validity. > > Bullshit. W

Re: [indiana-discuss] how to add to SFW

2007-11-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>> This seem to be strange questions! > >>> > >>> Did you ever fetch star and compile it? > >>> Did you ever test star? > >> Where is the version of star which is: > >> > >>fully integrated

Re: [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Dropping [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > [EMAIL PROTECTED] since this is getting way off topic.] > > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> star is still not in simply because no one wants it badly enough to do > >> the wor

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Nils Nieuwejaar
On Thu 11/01/07 at 15:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > While developing a proposal now is a positive thing to do, I suggest > waiting until closer to when we actually need a decision (which would > be the middle of next year) before we try to crystalise a veto like > that. We may find our

[indiana-discuss] how to add to SFW

2007-11-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> This seem to be strange questions! >>> >>> Did you ever fetch star and compile it? >>> Did you ever test star? >> Where is the version of star which is: >> >> fully integrated in OpenSolaris (e.g., on the SFW or ON tree) >> fully co

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Alan Burlison
Alan Burlison wrote: > I'd therefore suggest that a deadline is set of 2 weeks for preparing a > proposal and associated plan to be put to the OpenSolaris community at > large. The Advocacy Community and the Trademark and Branding Project > are to be responsible for producing the proposal, and

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
On 11/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >No. We need a decision before then. 2 weeks may be too short, 6 months > >is way too long. > > > Since "a distro named OpenSolaris" is out now, I'd +1 sooner rather than > later. i'd say it is already late nacho

Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Casper . Dik
>No. We need a decision before then. 2 weeks may be too short, 6 months >is way too long. Since "a distro named OpenSolaris" is out now, I'd +1 sooner rather than later. Casper ___ indiana-discuss mailing list indiana-discuss@opensolaris.org http

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