[efloraofindia:117651] Bergenia species from Paddar Valley J&K (2)

2012-05-25 Thread Suresh Rana
Request for ID confirmation Bot. name: *Bergenia stracheyi* Family: Saxifragaceae Location: Paddar valley J&K. Altitude: 3500 meters Date: 15th June 2011

Re: [efloraofindia:117649] tree id - Ludhiana

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
Ranjit: It should not be a zip file please reduce size /pixels of individual picture and submit as attached file(s) please follow the submission guidelines thank you usha di On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ranjit Ahluwalia < ranjitahluwalia...@gmail.com> wrote: > > please help me to identify

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2012-05-25 Thread Suresh Rana
Request for ID confirmation Bot. name: *Bergenia ciliata* Family: Saxifragaceae Location: Paddar valley J&K. Date: 19 April, 2012 Altitude: 2000 meters asl

Re: [efloraofindia:117647] Are these called Crocus are Thunder lily?

2012-05-25 Thread Giby Kuriakose
I too think that this could be *Zephyranthes sulphurea* (Please note the spelling of genus) of Amaryllidaceae family. Regards Giby On 26 May 2012 10:57, jmgarg1 wrote: > A reply from Pradhan ji: > "Zephyranthus sulphurea , I think! > Ganesh M. Pradhan" > > Thanks, Pradhan ji. > > On 25 May 20

Re: [efloraofindia:117645] Are these called Crocus are Thunder lily?

2012-05-25 Thread jmgarg1
A reply from Pradhan ji: "Zephyranthus sulphurea , I think! Ganesh M. Pradhan" Thanks, Pradhan ji. On 25 May 2012 18:17, jmgarg1 wrote: > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. > > Some earlier relevant feedback: > > “Also looks like one of the grass Lilies (*Ornithogalum um

Re: [efloraofindia:117641] Sterculia urens - Indian Ghost Tree

2012-05-25 Thread Prashant Awale
Beautiful composition Rajesh ji. Liked it. Regards Prashant On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Rajesh Sachdev wrote: > May be a very common sighting in peninsular India but point to observe > is that most of these trees at Matheran have started getting new > leaves, observed them on 25th may`12. >

Re: [efloraofindia:117640] circles

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
Good... Surajit am glad did you get to see anything else that's flowering now? and kol bot g has at least one more gustavia flowers just about now or a little later usha di == On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:45 AM, surajit koley < surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sir / Madam, > > Every per

Re: [efloraofindia:117639] Flora of Chakrata 2012: Picris hieracioides for validation

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
Nidhan: oh, but Elephantopus scaber is elephants foot, isn't it? *But ayurvedic books i currently have listOnosma bracteatum *Wall. (Boraginaceae) as Gojvha but i distinctly remember trying to id a yellow flower on a branched herb like the one shown in this thread, I had found some old

Re: [efloraofindia:117637] Boraginaceae Week: June 4 to 10, 2012

2012-05-25 Thread Gurcharan Singh
Thanks Nidhan ji for offering to coordinate Caryophyllaceae Week in September. Waiting for some more to volunteer and suggest more families to coordinate and include in schedule. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 A

Re: [efloraofindia:117636] Rauvolfia serpentina = Rauwolfia serpentina !

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
SURAJIT and if you please lets include Satish and Pankaj in this conversation: poor mr Linnaeus, i am not talking about him, neither the mistake/problem of ENGLISH spelling of proper names his problem, nor could he have started them... its old English lexicon and use of alphabets... lets not reduc

Re: [efloraofindia:117635] Boraginaceae Week: June 4 to 10, 2012

2012-05-25 Thread Nidhan Singh
Thanks Sir for chalking out the programme well in advance..hope to see beautiful episodes..I have so many unidentified plants from these families. Looking forward to coordinate one of these episodes...may be Caryophyllaceae week in September... -- Regards, Dr. Nidhan Singh Department of Botany I

Re: [efloraofindia:117634] Flora of Chakrata 2012: Picris hieracioides for validation

2012-05-25 Thread Nidhan Singh
Thanks Gurchran Sir for validation, we had also spotted it during our last year's visit to the same area...Ushadi Ji as far as I know this is not known as "go-jihva", none of its parts resemble with cow's tongue. "Go-jihva" I have come to know is Elephantopus scaber, a plant I have yet to seeex

Re: [efloraofindia:117631] Request Tree ID 43 Bangalore - Is it Madhuca Indica?

2012-05-25 Thread raman
> > Thanks Bhaskar ji and garg ji Raman

Re: [efloraofindia:117630] Request Tree ID 108 - lalbagh, bangalore - RA

2012-05-25 Thread raman
Thanks Satish ji Raman

Re: [efloraofindia:117628] Boraginaceae Week: June 4 to 10, 2012

2012-05-25 Thread Gurcharan Singh
Thanks Balkar ji for volunteering to Coordinate Gentianaceae Week in October. I wish more members volunteer to coordinate different episodes. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-11001

Re: [efloraofindia:117627] Rauvolfia serpentina = Rauwolfia serpentina !

2012-05-25 Thread surajit koley
Good morning Usha Di Long time ago i read a a few lines about Alfred Nobel stating that he was afraid of mathematics in his childhood and that's why he didn't have any Nobel prize in Mathematics! There was another explanation too! Don't know if Linnaeus had same experience with the 'W' or not! R

Re: [efloraofindia:117626] Rauvolfia serpentina = Rauwolfia serpentina !

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
Dear Satish and Surajit... resolved? not really... or yes, may be ha ha ... but there is *NO V *in this spelling or two of Dr * Leonhard Rauwolf (also spelled Rauwolff* name... that was the original question, was not it? Usha di === On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, surajit koley < surajit

Re: [efloraofindia:117625] Calotropis species

2012-05-25 Thread ayush
Thanks to all for replies. Close up comparision of flowers (Photos by Mrs. A. Lalithamba) http://www.flickr.com/photos/45835639@N04/5098982665/in/set-72157626405145698/ Regards Radha Krishna

Re: [efloraofindia:117622] Rutaceae Week

2012-05-25 Thread Giby Kuriakose
Glycosmis pentaphylla of Rutaceae family Regards Giby On 25 May 2012 22:29, Satish Phadke wrote: > Very good Satish Ji > I have yet to see this. > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Satish Nikam wrote: > >> Dear Friends >>Sharing pic of Pentaphylla glycosmis fruits. >> regard

Re: [efloraofindia:117616] Calotropis species

2012-05-25 Thread Giby Kuriakose
Very good Pictures, Neil ji. Regards Giby On 25 May 2012 22:41, Neil Soares wrote: > Interesting Dr.Shinde. Sending some of my photographs. My previous > photographs are available in the archives of this group. [Wish > someone would tell me how to copy & paste a previous mail in this new > fo

Re: [efloraofindia:117616] Rauvolfia serpentina = Rauwolfia serpentina !

2012-05-25 Thread surajit koley
Thank you once again Satish Sir. The mystery behind the names is resolved to the finest level. Regards, Surajit On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Satish Phadke wrote: > > Surajit ji > We had a discussion earlier on this issue. Dear Pankaj kumar ji had > answered this query. > I am copy pasting

Re: [efloraofindia:117616] Physalis sp. ID from Hooghly 17-04-12 SK

2012-05-25 Thread surajit koley
Thank you very much, Satish Sir, it will keep me going. With Regards, Surajit On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Satish Phadke wrote: > Surajit ji > Fantastic efforts. > We really need members like you. I like your way to document so many > things from nature. > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:53

Re: [efloraofindia:117616] Rutaceae Week

2012-05-25 Thread Satish Phadke
Very good Satish Ji I have yet to see this. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Satish Nikam wrote: > Dear Friends >Sharing pic of Pentaphylla glycosmis fruits. > regards > satish nikam > -- Dr Satish Phadke

Re: [efloraofindia:117615] Request Tree ID 108 - lalbagh, bangalore - RA

2012-05-25 Thread Satish Phadke
Agree with Neil Ji It does appear to be Madhuca tree. Incidently I observe horizontal parallel lines on the tree trunk here. They may not be characteristic of the tree but I have also found similar lines on Moha tree here in Pune. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, raman wrote: > Thanks, > Raman

Re: [efloraofindia:117614] Rauvolfia serpentina = Rauwolfia serpentina !

2012-05-25 Thread Satish Phadke
Surajit ji We had a discussion earlier on this issue. Dear Pankaj kumar ji had answered this query. I am copy pasting what he had written in the post. * Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com via googlegroups.com 11/2/10 to indiantreepix Just for correction. I realized that the accepted spelling is

Re: [efloraofindia:117613] Physalis sp. ID from Hooghly 17-04-12 SK

2012-05-25 Thread Satish Phadke
Surajit ji Fantastic efforts. We really need members like you. I like your way to document so many things from nature. On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:53 PM, surajit koley < surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sir / Madam, > > Attaching more seed images of *Cardiospermum halicacabum* L. Please, >

Re: [efloraofindia:117612] Calotropis species

2012-05-25 Thread Rajendra Shinde
Another way to differentiate would be - Flower buds like "modak" (during Ganesha festival, modaks are made) - C. gigantea Flower buds like "pedha" .(I am sure every one knows the shape of Pedha...C. procera

Re: [efloraofindia:117611] Names of Plants in India :: Vanda testacea (Lindl.) Rchb.f.

2012-05-25 Thread Balkar Singh
Very Very Beautiful Dinesh Ji On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dinesh Valke wrote: > Many thanks Giby ji for the Malayalam name. > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > > > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Giby Kuriakose > wrote: > >> In malayalam a group of orchids ie Acampe spp., Vanda spp. and Aerides

Re: [efloraofindia:117610] Boraginaceae Week: June 4 to 10, 2012

2012-05-25 Thread Balkar Singh
Nice Initiative Sir. I think I will be able to coordinate October month, As now days upto 12th July i am continuously even on sundays busy in Exam duties. I august we will be going to Valley of flowers OCTOBER 1-7 Gentianaceae On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Dinesh Valke wrote: > Many thanks Gu

Re: [efloraofindia:117609] Flora of Chakrata 2012: Picris hieracioides for validation

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
is this the one known as go-jivha? usha di == On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > I think yes, Nidhan ji > Very good photographs > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vi

Re: [efloraofindia:117608] Calotropis species

2012-05-25 Thread Gurcharan Singh
Yes Calotropis gigantea -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Fri, M

Re: [efloraofindia:117607] Flora of Chakrata 2012: Picris hieracioides for validation

2012-05-25 Thread Gurcharan Singh
I think yes, Nidhan ji Very good photographs -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~

Re: [efloraofindia:117606] efloraofindia:''For Id 25052012MR1’’ is this a wasp foraging Ecbolium ligustrinum at Pune

2012-05-25 Thread Bhagyashri
Thanks Neil ji for confirming. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Neil Soares wrote: > Hi, > Affirmative. Looks like a wasp. >With regards, > Neil Soares. > > --- On *Fri, 5/25/12, Bhagyashri * wrote: > > > From: Bhagyashri > Subject: [efloraofindia:117568] eflor

Re: [efloraofindia:117605] Calotropis species

2012-05-25 Thread ayush
Sri Neil Soares ji Thank you very much sir. Regards Radha Krishna Reddy --- On Friday, May 25, 2012 6:41:18 PM UTC+5:30, Neil wrote: > > Hi, > This is Calotropis gigantea. >With regards, > Neil Soares. > > --- On *Fri, 5/25/12, ayush * wrote:

Re: [efloraofindia:117603] Calotropis species

2012-05-25 Thread Neil Soares
Hi,  This is Calotropis gigantea.    With regards,  Neil Soares. --- On Fri, 5/25/12, ayush wrote: From: ayush Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:117602] Calotropis species To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com Cc: "Satish Phadke" , singh...@gmail.com Date: Friday, Ma

Re: [efloraofindia:117602] Request Tree ID 43 Bangalore - Is it Madhuca Indica?

2012-05-25 Thread jmgarg1
A reply: "To me, it *looks like Sapindus trifoliatus L. (= S. emarginatus Vahl)* by its emarginate leaf tip. Both S. trifoliatus and S. laurifolia are hardly distinguishable from each other except by the leaf tip character. >From Dr. V. Bhaskar" Thanks, Dr. Bhaskar. On 25 May 2012 16:38, jmgarg1

Re: [efloraofindia:117599] Names of Plants in India :: Vanda testacea (Lindl.) Rchb.f.

2012-05-25 Thread Dinesh Valke
Many thanks Giby ji for the Malayalam name. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Giby Kuriakose wrote: > In malayalam a group of orchids ie Acampe spp., Vanda spp. and Aerides > spp. are called as *Maravazha *by local people*. *People use the leaf > extract of any of these species

Re: [efloraofindia:117598] Names of Plants in India :: Vanda testacea (Lindl.) Rchb.f.

2012-05-25 Thread Giby Kuriakose
In malayalam a group of orchids ie Acampe spp., Vanda spp. and Aerides spp. are called as *Maravazha *by local people*. *People use the leaf extract of any of these species to cure infections in the ear. Regards, Giby On 25 May 2012 16:48, Dinesh Valke wrote: > via Species

[efloraofindia:117597] Names of Plants in India :: Vanda testacea (Lindl.) Rchb.f.

2012-05-25 Thread Dinesh Valke
via Species ‎ > ‎V ‎ > ‎ *Vanda testacea* (Lindl.) Rchb.f. ... (family: Orchidaceae) [image: Vanda testacea (Lindl.) Rchb.f.]

Fwd: [efloraofindia:117595] Please send me the image and Description of Rhodiola imbricata

2012-05-25 Thread jmgarg1
Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. Some earlier relevant feedback: “Hi Binu Ji. Did you try the plant list from Kew botanic garden? Its a good source to get the taxonomic classification of the plant. Kindly check from the link below. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record

Re: [efloraofindia:117592] Re: QUERY :: meaning of the epithet testacea

2012-05-25 Thread Dinesh Valke
Thank you very much, Mic for leading me to this good site: Dictionary of Botanical Epithets. It will prove very useful. shell covered seems appropriate in context of *Vanda testacea*. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:22 PM, OZmic wrote: > Hi Dinesh, > I can't find any other m

[efloraofindia:117592] Re: QUERY :: meaning of the epithet testacea

2012-05-25 Thread OZmic
Hi Dinesh, I can't find any other meaning either. Our friend Chuck says: "made of brick or tiles; shell covered; brick colored". His site can be useful too, here is the URL: < http://www.winternet.com/~chuckg/dictionary.html >. Cheers Mic On Friday, May 25, 2012 6:50:32 PM UTC+10, Dinesh Valke wro

Re: [efloraofindia:117590] QUERY :: meaning of the epithet testacea

2012-05-25 Thread Dinesh Valke
Many thanks Rakesh ji for this good possible meaning, perhaps refers to covering of its fruit. Have a sighting of the fruits: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5663195939/ ... though not sure of it having hard cover. If this is also a meaning, then it seems more appropriate than the brick c

Re: [efloraofindia:117589] Mohua

2012-05-25 Thread Rakesh Biswas
Yes. Can be used as a biodiesel or soap though. :-) On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:04 PM, ushadi Micromini wrote: > not likely , eh? second paper is a pdf, downloadable, read it... mostly > not edible in our modern sense it seems... too much smell, and palmitic > acids per the abstracts in the fir

[efloraofindia:117588] QUERY :: meaning of the epithet testacea

2012-05-25 Thread Dinesh Valke
Dear friends, Meaning of the epithet *testacea* (also *testaceum*, *testaceus*) is -- colour of brick ... referred Dave's Botanary . Could there be another meaning ? This query in context of *Vanda testacea* -- not able to know

Re: [efloraofindia:117587] For ID 24520121 Evergreen Shola tree

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
Thank you, so do I understand it correctly that they can be *any *vegetation or does it consist of any particular tree/plant variety...?? usha di On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, N Arun Kumar wrote: > Usha Di > > Shola forests are unique montane vegetation occupying temperate > habitats in tropi

Re: [efloraofindia:117586] Flora of Chakrata 2012: Primula floribunda

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
love the yellow flowers, so tiny usha di On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > Nice photographs Balkar ji and Nidhan ji > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, Ne

Re: [efloraofindia:117585] Flora of Chakrata 2012: Cotinus coggygria from Juddo

2012-05-25 Thread Gurcharan Singh
Very good photographs Nidhan ji -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ O

Re: [efloraofindia:117584] Rutaceae Week

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
wonderful, I vaguely recall that it was supposed to have anti oxidant activities... very nice to see it Usha di On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Satish Nikam wrote: > Dear Friends >Sharing pic of Pentaphylla glycosmis fruits. > regards > satish nikam > -- Usha di ===

Re: [efloraofindia:117583] Flora of Chakrata 2012: Primula floribunda

2012-05-25 Thread Gurcharan Singh
Nice photographs Balkar ji and Nidhan ji -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~sing

Re: [efloraofindia:117581] Boraginaceae Week: June 4 to 10, 2012

2012-05-25 Thread Dinesh Valke
Many thanks Gurcharan ji for lining up the weeks - it helps me especially to keep my posts ready when I get time. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > Dear friends > Our next episode on Family Weeks will cover Boraginaceae, from June 4 to > 10, 2012. The mem

Re: [efloraofindia:117580] Mohua

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
not likely , eh? second paper is a pdf, downloadable, read it... mostly not edible in our modern sense it seems... too much smell, and palmitic acids per the abstracts in the first link... so there Usha di --- On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:57 PM, ushadi Micromini wrote: > Thanks Rakesh, ever you e

[efloraofindia:117579] Boraginaceae Week: June 4 to 10, 2012

2012-05-25 Thread Gurcharan Singh
Dear friends Our next episode on Family Weeks will cover Boraginaceae, from June 4 to 10, 2012. The members are requested to participate by uploading both identified and unidentified photographs during the week. All uploads should have subject line starting with "Boraginaceae Week:.

Re: [efloraofindia:117578] Mohua

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
Thanks Rakesh, ever you ever tasted this oil? Usha di On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Rakesh Biswas wrote: > 50% of the seed is oil: > > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030881469190106X, > > > http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/5384/1/JSIR%2064%2811%29%20890-896.pdf

Re: [efloraofindia:117577] Mohua

2012-05-25 Thread Rakesh Biswas
50% of the seed is oil: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030881469190106X, http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/5384/1/JSIR%2064%2811%29%20890-896.pdf Can it be extrapolated to 2 Kgs of seed for 1 litre? I am not sure. best regards, rakesh From: ushadi Micromini Dat

Re: [efloraofindia:117576] Mohua

2012-05-25 Thread ushadi Micromini
ok! fair enough usha di On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Neil Soares wrote: > Hi, > Haven't the foggiest on both counts. > With regards, > Neil Soares. > > --- On *Fri, 5/25/12, ushadi Micromini * wrote: > > > From: ushadi Micromini > Subject: Re: [efloraofind

Re: [efloraofindia:117574] Mohua

2012-05-25 Thread Neil Soares
Hi,  Haven't the foggiest on both counts.     With regards,   Neil Soares. --- On Fri, 5/25/12, ushadi Micromini wrote: From: ushadi Micromini Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:117545] Mohua To: "Neil Soares" Cc: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, May 25, 2012,

Re: [efloraofindia:117573] efloraofindia:''For Id 25052012MR1’’ is this a wasp foraging Ecbolium ligustrinum at Pune

2012-05-25 Thread Neil Soares
Hi,  Affirmative. Looks like a wasp.    With regards,  Neil Soares. --- On Fri, 5/25/12, Bhagyashri wrote: From: Bhagyashri Subject: [efloraofindia:117568] efloraofindia:''For Id 25052012MR1’’ is this a wasp foraging Ecbolium ligustrinum at Pune To: "efloraofindia"

Fwd: [efloraofindia:117572] Rutaceae Week :: Glycosmis pentaphylla at Goa and Lonavala

2012-05-25 Thread jmgarg1
Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. Some earlier relevant feedback: “Characters to look for in Genus Glycosmis ...Unarmed ...Leaflets 3-5. Base equal. ...Anthers glandular Diff. between the two species observed in Mah. 1 Leaflets with subdentate margin; ovary ovoid,sessile

Re: [efloraofindia:117569] Tentamen Florae Nepalensis illustartae

2012-05-25 Thread Muthu Karthick
Thank you for sharing this useful flora. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:07 AM, manudev madhavan < manudevkmadha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > Please see the attached pdf file of " Tentamen Florae Nepalensis > Illsustratae" by Nathanile Wallich in this mail. > I earlier thought the file was too