[PHP-DEV] RFCs and voting - feature requests + an oddity

2019-08-06 Thread Thomas Hruska
While we are on the topic of RFCs and voting, I'd like to see the option to directly download the votes to a CSV file with real names and each user's karma list. If the above feature is deemed a good idea, there's also a corollary feature: It would also be useful to be able to download all vo

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Walter Parker
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 2:55 PM Claude Pache wrote: > > > > Le 6 août 2019 à 20:46, Nikita Popov a écrit : > > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:34 PM G. P. B. > wrote: > > > >> The voting for the "Deprecate short open tags, again" [1] RFC has begun. > >> It is expected to last two (2) weeks until 20

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Claude Pache
> Le 6 août 2019 à 20:46, Nikita Popov a écrit : > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:34 PM G. P. B. wrote: > >> The voting for the "Deprecate short open tags, again" [1] RFC has begun. >> It is expected to last two (2) weeks until 2019-08-20. >> >> A counter argument to this RFC is available at >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread James Gilliland
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 8:34 AM Dan Ackroyd wrote: > > # Proposal - improve visibility of negative feedback > > When someone creates an RFC, near the top of that page they should > create a link to a separate page that will contain negative feedback. > People other that the RFC author are free to

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Zeev Suraski
> On 6 Aug 2019, at 21:46, Nikita Popov wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:34 PM G. P. B. wrote: >> >> The voting for the "Deprecate short open tags, again" [1] RFC has begun. >> It is expected to last two (2) weeks until 2019-08-20. >> >> A counter argument to this RFC is available at >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Nikita Popov
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:34 PM G. P. B. wrote: > The voting for the "Deprecate short open tags, again" [1] RFC has begun. > It is expected to last two (2) weeks until 2019-08-20. > > A counter argument to this RFC is available at > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/counterargument/deprecate_php_short_tags

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread G. P. B.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 19:25, Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:19 PM G. P. B. wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 19:12, Rowan Collins >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 17:59, Chase Peeler wrote: >>> >>> > I'm not a voter, but, I have a question. If this fails, doe

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Chase Peeler
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:19 PM G. P. B. wrote: > > > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 19:12, Rowan Collins > wrote: > >> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 17:59, Chase Peeler wrote: >> >> > I'm not a voter, but, I have a question. If this fails, does that mean >> the >> > original RFC that passed is still in effect

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Peter Kokot
Hello, On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 19:19, G. P. B. wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 19:12, Rowan Collins wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 17:59, Chase Peeler wrote: > > > > > I'm not a voter, but, I have a question. If this fails, does that mean > > the > > > original RFC that passed is still in ef

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread G. P. B.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 19:12, Rowan Collins wrote: > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 17:59, Chase Peeler wrote: > > > I'm not a voter, but, I have a question. If this fails, does that mean > the > > original RFC that passed is still in effect? > > > > > Yes, this is really ambiguous, and risks the situatio

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 17:59, Chase Peeler wrote: > I'm not a voter, but, I have a question. If this fails, does that mean the > original RFC that passed is still in effect? > Yes, this is really ambiguous, and risks the situation being even more confusing than it was before. The "No" column on

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread Chase Peeler
I'm not a voter, but, I have a question. If this fails, does that mean the original RFC that passed is still in effect? If I did have a vote, I would be against this RFC for the reasons laid out by Zeev in the counter argument. However, I feel the negative impacts of possible code leaks that will

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 14:46, Lynn wrote: > The current setup allows for a single author to write down counter > arguments. As the counter arguments seem to primarily be opinionated, I'm > interested to see who's opinion it is, as two people can have different > opinions on the same subject. If pe

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Lynn
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 3:19 PM Rowan Collins wrote: > > Firstly, I would somewhat question why you need to know who holds an > opinion. RFCs, and any dissenting opinions, are not manifestoes in > elections, they are information presented so that you can form your own > opinion. They should not be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 13:54, Lynn wrote: > Taking the current RFC ( > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/counterargument/deprecate_php_short_tags) as > example, how do we as reader differentiate between people's counter > arguments? When I read those points, I feel like this is something agreed > upon by t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Lynn
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 2:33 PM Rowan Collins wrote: > The key difference between an RFC and a discussion thread is that it > presents a summary or synthesis, which can be much more easily digested > than a full discussion. It is also, crucially, editable, so can be reworded > or corrected to clar

Re: [PHP-DEV] Improve visibility of RFC negative feedback

2019-08-06 Thread Rowan Collins
On 5 August 2019 14:33:53 BST, Dan Ackroyd wrote: >When someone creates an RFC, near the top of that page they should >create a link to a separate page that will contain negative feedback. >People other that the RFC author are free to put whatever negative >feedback think is appropriate on that 'n

[PHP-DEV] Fw: New error format in php.ini

2019-08-06 Thread long time via internals
Hello, how about add json_errors like html_errors and option for injecting json_errors in response(if response json object(ex. {"success":false}) append new field(ex. php_error {"success":false,"php_errors":{"stack":...}}))?Thanks.

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-06 Thread G. P. B.
The voting for the "Deprecate short open tags, again" [1] RFC has begun. It is expected to last two (2) weeks until 2019-08-20. A counter argument to this RFC is available at https://wiki.php.net/rfc/counterargument/deprecate_php_short_tags Best regards George P. Banyard [1] https://wiki.php.ne

Re: [PHP-DEV] Counterargument to Short Tags Deprecation (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Deprecate PHP's short open tags V2)

2019-08-06 Thread Peter Cowburn
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 23:51, Zeev Suraski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:05 PM G. P. B. wrote: > > > > > I'd prefer Dan's approach and having a seperate page linked at the top of > > the RFC. > > > > I'll start voting tomorrow and will link to your page in the same message > > as the voting