[PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-04 Thread Graham Kelly
Hey, I always love having input. When you said it was vicious I was expecting more, in fact I agree completely with you on a lot of things :-) Anyway, I'm not really sure how much detail you want me to go into (or how much detail people on internals really want me to get into). So, I'll keep it

[PHP-DEV] Re: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-05 Thread Paul Biggar
Hi Graham, Simple things first: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Graham Kelly wrote: > I'm not sure which optimization you are talking about with the GLOBALS stuff > but what your saying makes sense. (Its been awhile since I've looked at the > code base myself, I'm just getting back to working

[PHP-DEV] Re: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-05 Thread Paul Biggar
Hi Graham, On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Paul Biggar wrote: >> Why not start off with the big stuff, dataflow. I personally believe that >> working out good data flow for PHP is key to getting good optimizations. But >> you are right, its a very tricky thing to do and in some cases impossible

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-05 Thread Nuno Lopes
g that wants to join the discussion? - Original Message - From: "Graham Kelly" To: "Paul Biggar" Cc: "PHP Internals" ; "Brian Shire" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion Hey, I always love having input

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-06 Thread Paul Biggar
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Nuno Lopes wrote: > I'm happy there's some interest in a PHP optimizer :) > I agree with Paul that PECL's optimizer duplicates way too much stuff from > the Zend engine, which is not practic nor maintainable. (compare for example > with the simple constant folder I

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-06 Thread Graham Kelly
lso seem like really interesting (from what I have read thus far). - Graham From: Paul Biggar [paul.big...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:28 PM To: Nuno Lopes Cc: Graham Kelly; PHP Internals; Brian Shire Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discu

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-06 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Paul Biggar schrieb: > They have a paper on PHP memory usage. Link? I am collecting papers that deal with PHP at http://delicious.com/sebastian_bergmann/academic_paper+php -- Sebastian BergmannCo-Founder and Principal Consultant http://sebastian-bergmann.de/

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-07 Thread Rob Nicholson
Graham, Paul, Paul Biggar wrote on 07/06/2009 02:28:48: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Nuno Lopes wrote: > > > About runkit & friends, I wouldn't worr > much about them. If you're running > > them problably you also don't care about optimizations. If you want to be > > able to optimize

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion

2009-06-07 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 6-Jun-09, at 9:28 PM, Paul Biggar wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Nuno Lopes wrote: I'm happy there's some interest in a PHP optimizer :) I agree with Paul that PECL's optimizer duplicates way too much stuff from the Zend engine, which is not practic nor maintainable. (compare fo

[PHP-DEV] Academic papers on PHP (was Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Optimizer discussion)

2009-06-07 Thread Paul Biggar
Hi Sebastian, On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Paul Biggar schrieb: >> They have a paper on PHP memory usage. > >  Link? I am collecting papers that deal with PHP at >  http://delicious.com/sebastian_bergmann/academic_paper+php This is great. Below is a list of all the