Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:54 AM, Bilge wrote: > Furthermore, for absolute clarity and the avoidance of doubt, I believe this > guiding principle can be enshrined on the following single sentence: > > "We cannot remove features from a static class that would otherwise be > present in a standar

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 17/06/2024 13:49, Bilge wrote: On 16/06/2024 14:32, Mike Schinkel wrote: Not supporting all features used in the wild would result in developers not being able to use static classes for new and/or refactored code if they believe they need those excluded features. This would s

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 16/06/2024 14:32, Mike Schinkel wrote: Not supporting all features used in the wild would result in developers not being able to use static classes for new and/or refactored code if they believe they need those excluded features. This would stop developers from signaling their

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 at 20:08, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > > On 16/06/2024 18:54, Andreas Hennings wrote: > > Yes, the possibility for namespace part imports exists. > Unfortunately these namespace imports usually need to be set up > manually, whereas the regular class or function import has bet

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 16/06/2024 18:54, Andreas Hennings wrote: Yes, the possibility for namespace part imports exists. Unfortunately these namespace imports usually need to be set up manually, whereas the regular class or function import has better automatic support from the IDE. Also, namespace fragments are ofte

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 at 19:09, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > > On 16/06/2024 16:24, Andreas Hennings wrote: > > For a function call, the namespace is usually only visible in the > imports list at the top of the file. > > > This is one of those interesting cases where the language itself is flexibl

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 at 17:44, Larry Garfield wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, at 10:24 AM, Andreas Hennings wrote: > > Regarding function autoloading: > > > > A more interesting question to me is a convention where to put each > > function. > > With classes, PSR-4 tells us exactly what one can ex

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

Here is a relevant example usage of static classes/polymorphism on my personal site/app: https://gist.github.com/oplanre/6894f56fb61134ee5ea93cf262ba3662 On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 10:38 AM Andreas Hennings wrote: > Regarding function autoloading: > > A more interesting question to me is a conventi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 16/06/2024 16:24, Andreas Hennings wrote: For a function call, the namespace is usually only visible in the imports list at the top of the file. This is one of those interesting cases where the language itself is flexible, but people are used to a specific style: a use statement can import

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, at 10:24 AM, Andreas Hennings wrote: > Regarding function autoloading: > > A more interesting question to me is a convention where to put each function. > With classes, PSR-4 tells us exactly what one can expect to find in a > class file with a given name. > Perhaps a separate

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

Regarding function autoloading: A more interesting question to me is a convention where to put each function. With classes, PSR-4 tells us exactly what one can expect to find in a class file with a given name. Perhaps a separate directory tree per package, with one file per sub-namespace? Or just

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

> On Jun 16, 2024, at 5:17 AM, Bilge wrote: > > Let's start getting specific so we can make some progress. > > The goals of this RFC are fairly straightforward: > Introduce the `static` keyword at the class level to preclude the need to > create a private constructor. That is, `__construct` wo

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, at 14:13, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > > > On 15 June 2024 18:39:20 BST, Valentin Udaltsov > wrote: > > >PHP does not have internal/private functions. > >Very often I use functions for really simple things like `array_flatten` > >(and register them via composer.json.a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 15 June 2024 18:39:20 BST, Valentin Udaltsov wrote: >PHP does not have internal/private functions. >Very often I use functions for really simple things like `array_flatten` >(and register them via composer.json.autoload.files). But when the function >requires decomposition to smaller ones,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

Marco Deleu > >> You may have core developers that voted no due to maintenance burden, but if >> said maintainer is no longer active and new maintainers don't mind it, it's >> a moot argument because people changed. > > The maintenance burden argument is actually a good example of *not* bei

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 16 June 2024 10:27:27 BST, Rob Landers wrote: >I don’t understand why we are comparing this to a jury and/or court case. In >many countries, juries don’t even exist (such as the one I currently reside >in) so the only context is US TV shows for what that even means. Apologies, I'm from th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

https://github.com/oplanre/php-src/tree/feature/static-class On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 3:17 PM Lanre wrote: > I proposed this previously and have a working implementation, though it > may need some updates. However, I chose not to pursue it further because it > was clear it wouldn't pass as many p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, at 11:17, Bilge wrote: > Let's start getting specific so we can make some progress. > > The goals of this RFC are fairly straightforward: > • Introduce the `static` keyword at the class level to preclude the need to > create a private constructor. That is, `__construct` w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, at 10:33, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > > > On 16 June 2024 03:00:39 BST, "Marco Aurélio Deleu" > wrote: > >If you appoint a different jury to try a 20 year old case, the decision of > >the previous jury doesn't have any more weight than any other evidence on > >its o

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

Let's start getting specific so we can make some progress. The goals of this RFC are fairly straightforward: * Introduce the `static` keyword at the class level to preclude the need to create a private constructor. That is, `__construct` would be invalid in a static class. * Prohibit ins

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 16 June 2024 03:00:39 BST, "Marco Aurélio Deleu" wrote: >If you appoint a different jury to try a 20 year old case, the decision of the >previous jury doesn't have any more weight than any other evidence on its own. You missed the point of the analogy. The point is that that would only ha

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

> On 15 Jun 2024, at 14:11, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > > I fundamentally disagree with this assertion. > > If somebody makes a valid point, it doesn't automatically become invalid > because time has passed, or because nobody happens to repeat it in a later > e-mail thread. > > If I cop

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

I proposed this previously and have a working implementation, though it may need some updates. However, I chose not to pursue it further because it was clear it wouldn't pass as many people here are unaware that PHP is a multi-paradigm language. I frequently use static classes because they allow m

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sat, 15 June, 2024 at 19:21, Bilge wrote: > On 15/06/2024 16:58, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > > Common arguments against: > > > > - Static properties are a form of global state, and that's something > > widely advised against > > Correct, but a static class does not need to have any state. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, at 9:40 AM, Bilge wrote: > On 15/06/2024 14:53, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: >> On 15/06/2024 12:16, Bilge wrote: >>> >>> I want to introduce the `static` keyword at the class declaration >>> level. That is, the following would be valid: `static class Foo {}`. >> >> >> This

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 15/06/2024 17:17, Bilge wrote: You already provided a counter-point to this; we can't autoload functions. Just to reiterate, please do not attribute any of the arguments or counter-arguments to me. They were my attempt, from memory, to summarise previous discussions. Besides, there ma

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 15/06/2024 16:58, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: Common arguments against: - Static properties are a form of global state, and that's something widely advised against Correct, but a static class does not need to have any state. Indeed, I cannot think of an instance where I (personally) have

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 15/06/2024 15:40, Bilge wrote: That's all quite interesting, but I didn't get a good sense of why the idea was rejected I haven't re-read the threads in full, so this is mostly from old memories. And please note I am not saying which of these views I agree with, just attempting to summari

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, at 16:40, Bilge wrote: > On 15/06/2024 14:53, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > > On 15/06/2024 12:16, Bilge wrote: > >> > >> I want to introduce the `static` keyword at the class declaration > >> level. That is, the following would be valid: `static class Foo {}`. > > > > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 15/06/2024 14:53, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: On 15/06/2024 12:16, Bilge wrote: I want to introduce the `static` keyword at the class declaration level. That is, the following would be valid: `static class Foo {}`. This has been proposed before, and was rejected at vote. It was nearly

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class

On 15/06/2024 12:16, Bilge wrote: I want to introduce the `static` keyword at the class declaration level. That is, the following would be valid: `static class Foo {}`. This has been proposed before, and was rejected at vote. It was nearly 10 years ago, so opinions may have changed, but it

[PHP-DEV] Static class

Hi Internals, I want to introduce the `static` keyword at the class declaration level. That is, the following would be valid: `static class Foo {}`. A "static class" is one that only permits static members (methods/properties) and could have similar semantics to a static class in C#

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class property can be accessed as $object::$property?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 7:12 PM wrote: > Hi, > > > I'd be very thankful for a clear explanation on this: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35656898 > > > May be it's just a word game and I don't understand it correctly, but > documentation states one, though $object::$staticProperty works in a

[PHP-DEV] Static class property can be accessed as $object::$property?

Hi, I'd be very thankful for a clear explanation on this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35656898 May be it's just a word game and I don't understand it correctly, but documentation states one, though $object::$staticProperty works in all versions (tested on 3v4l). Very best rega

Re: [PHP-DEV] Static class variables and $this

Use self::$cnt but internals@ is not meant for PHP questions but for discussing development of PHP. Andi At 07:48 PM 2/12/2004 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me to some more information on using PHP 5's static class variables? All I have been able to find is the zend php5 ch

[PHP-DEV] Static class variables and $this

Can someone point me to some more information on using PHP 5's static class variables? All I have been able to find is the zend php5 changes page. Consider: error_reporting(E_ALL | E_STRICT); class foo { static $cnt = 0; function getCnt1() { return $this->cnt; } // Does not work, undefined va