Re: Denial of Service attacks and ICMPv6 Packet Too Big

2000-12-21 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
rfc1122 (host requirements) says: An ICMP error message MUST NOT be sent as the result of receiving: ... *a datagram destined to an IP broadcast or IP multicast address, or *a datagram sent as a link-layer broadcast, or

Re: Denial of Service attacks and ICMPv6 Packet Too Big

2000-12-21 Thread Jari Arkko
> the attacker was willing to be caught. Because redirects can't be forwarded > from off-link (the hop limit must be 255 when received) there is no way for > an attacker to mount a redirect based attack unless the attacking system > is on the same link as the target. Correct. And like you say, i

Re: Denial of Service attacks and ICMPv6 Packet Too Big

2000-12-21 Thread Tim Hartrick
Itojun, > > ICMPv6 redirect has similar issue as ICMPv6 too big, and we can remedy > the problem by using similar "upper limit" technique. could you please > give some more detail with parameter problem? > I am not sure how ICMPv6 redirects could be used in such a DoS at

Re: Denial of Service attacks and ICMPv6 Packet Too Big

2000-12-21 Thread Jari Arkko
> Why SHOULD they respond ? Having all recipient of a multicast stream respond > to something is not a good idea - you don't need an attack, as you would be always >only Well... because RFC 2463 section 2.4 point (e.2) wants you to? The RFC names two exceptions to the never-respond-to-multicas

Re: Denial of Service attacks and ICMPv6 Packet Too Big

2000-12-21 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Jari Arkko wrote: > >There are two possible meaning for "DoS using ICMPv6 too big". > > - victim node cannot use larger MTU size for destinations, because of > > forged ICMPv6 too big from a bad guy. > > since IPv6 minimum MTU is 1280, the situation is much better > > than IPv4 case. > > -

Re: Denial of Service attacks and ICMPv6 Packet Too Big

2000-12-21 Thread Jari Arkko
>There are two possible meaning for "DoS using ICMPv6 too big". > - victim node cannot use larger MTU size for destinations, because of > forged ICMPv6 too big from a bad guy. > since IPv6 minimum MTU is 1280, the situation is much better > than IPv4 case. > - if the victim node is careless

Re: destination option update

2000-12-21 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:31:31 -0800 (PST) From:Michael Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | I tend to doubt that sending the AH or ESP headers up the | stack is especially useful. I think what you mean is that applications are unlikel

Minutes for San Diego IPng Meeting

2000-12-21 Thread Bob Hinden
The minutes for last weeks IPng meeting can be found at: http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/minutes/ipng-minutes-dec2000.txt Please send corrections to me. Happy Holidays, Bob IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPn