I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-flow-label-03.txt

2002-09-12 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : IPv6 Flow Label Specification Author(s) : J. Rajahalme, A. Conta, B. Carpenter, S.

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Margaret Wasserman wrote: Hi Brian, [BC] Probably, but near the source or destination this is not necessarily true. In a non-diffserv, non-intserv scenario, using the triplet {source, dest, flow label} to split the traffic could be interesting. And, how do load balancing routers

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Jarno answered this one I think, but my point is that *they don't need to know*. They just behave the same way in all cases, and the traffic that doesn't carry fine-grain flow labels will just not get load balanced. The problem is that the traffic that doesn't carry fine-grain flow labels will

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Keith Knightson
All, What happened to the proposal to partition the label space to clearly and formally delineate the different possible uses? Surely this would elminate any possible ambiguous and/or conflicting use. Regards Keith Knightson

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Keith Knightson wrote: All, What happened to the proposal to partition the label space to clearly and formally delineate the different possible uses? Surely this would elminate any possible ambiguous and/or conflicting use. There was no consensus to go that way. So we looked for a more

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Margaret Wasserman wrote: Jarno answered this one I think, but my point is that *they don't need to know*. They just behave the same way in all cases, and the traffic that doesn't carry fine-grain flow labels will just not get load balanced. The problem is that the traffic that doesn't

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Michael Thomas
Margaret Wasserman writes: Jarno answered this one I think, but my point is that *they don't need to know*. They just behave the same way in all cases, and the traffic that doesn't carry fine-grain flow labels will just not get load balanced. The problem is that the traffic that

IESG comments on draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-09.txt

2002-09-12 Thread Thomas Narten
Good news. The IESG discussion of this document raised no major issues. One point that was discussed, however, was related to whether :: means 1 or more occurances of zero vs. 2 or more, when used in an IPv6 literal address. The document currently says: 2. Due to some methods of allocating

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Maybe I'm in left field here, but I thought that a transmitter who didn't mark packets' flow label was supposed to set it to zero. In that case, the router could conceivably resort to classifying packets the old fashioned way -- eg transport headers. The problem is that the current

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Michael Thomas
Margaret Wasserman writes: Maybe I'm in left field here, but I thought that a transmitter who didn't mark packets' flow label was supposed to set it to zero. In that case, the router could conceivably resort to classifying packets the old fashioned way -- eg transport headers.

RE: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Tony Hain
Michael Thomas wrote: ... snip What doesn't work is if there may be non-zero values in the flow label that actually don't label flows. How is a load-balancing or load-spreading router supposed to know that this isn't a flow label? Er, well, it _doesn't_. I guess I just don't

Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-09.txt

2002-09-12 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: One point that was discussed, however, was related to whether :: means 1 or more occurances of zero vs. 2 or more, when used in an IPv6 literal address. = I always interpreted this as one or more (i.e., the standard +). I.e., on one parser an

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
If you want to talk DiffServ, IntServ, or something of that flavor, the flow label would be signaled, the router would recognize it during packet classification and deal with it how it sees fit. So, all of the routers would have to participate in signalling to know whether the flow label was

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Brian Haberman
Margaret Wasserman wrote: If you want to talk DiffServ, IntServ, or something of that flavor, the flow label would be signaled, the router would recognize it during packet classification and deal with it how it sees fit. So, all of the routers would have to participate in signalling to

Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-09.txt

2002-09-12 Thread Bob Hinden
To resolve this issue, I propose the following text for section 2.2 (changed line indicated by | ): 2. Due to some methods of allocating certain styles of IPv6 addresses, it will be common for addresses to contain long strings of zero bits. In order to make writing addresses

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I think that the problem is that we have different ideas about what the purpose of this document is. I, personally, would like to see a document that defines how hosts should set the flow label, in the absence of knowledge to the contrary. Something like: - Start with a random number

RE: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Tony Hain
Margaret Wasserman wrote: I think that the problem is that we have different ideas about what the purpose of this document is. I, personally, would like to see a document that defines how hosts should set the flow label, in the absence of knowledge to the contrary. Something like:

Re: [ga] Overcoming IPv6 Security Threat

2002-09-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Joe and all assembly members other interested parties, Thanks Joe for passing this interesting and very accurate article. It is good that also Jim FLemings IPv8 got a little well deserved attention as well. Kudos to Jim there! Indeed the security and privacy problems with IPv6 despite

Re: [ga] Overcoming IPv6 Security Threat

2002-09-12 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Jeff Williams wrote: Joe and all assembly members other interested parties, Thanks Joe for passing this interesting and very accurate article. Hmm.. It is good that also Jim FLemings IPv8 got a little well deserved attention as well. Kudos to Jim there! You