Re: Patrick Faltstrom message: Why SiteLocal is not what solves the problems people want to solve

2003-04-06 Thread Patrik Fältström
On lördag, apr 5, 2003, at 22:24 Europe/Stockholm, Dan Lanciani wrote: -When (and how) did site-locals become the main obstacle standing in the way of solving the routing/identifier problem? -When (and how) did all the other reasons that have been advanced to stymie any work on the routing/iden

Scope as seen by middleware [Re: My Thoughts on Site-Locals]

2003-04-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Tony Hain wrote: > > Christian Huitema wrote: > > ... > > Bad, bad application developers. We should really punish them! :-) > > Recognizing the smile, punishment was not my point. What many are > missing here is that the perspective of a single address scope does not, > and will not match the re

Re: free prefix allocation service

2003-04-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I suspect there is a trivial DOS attack against this, despite the one-per-day rule. We will need to think long and hard about how to make such a system both idiot-proof and sabotage-proof. Brian Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > > Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > This is fine as long as Nokia never g

Re: Patrick Faltstrom message: Why SiteLocal is not what solves the problems people want to solve

2003-04-06 Thread Dan Lanciani
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |On lördag, apr 5, 2003, at 22:24 Europe/Stockholm, Dan Lanciani wrote: | |> -When (and how) did site-locals become the main obstacle standing in |> the |> way of solving the routing/identifier problem? |> |> -When (and how) did all

Re: Patrick Faltstrom message: Why SiteLocal is not what solves the problems people want to solve

2003-04-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Tony, Tony Hain wrote: ... > ... It is > incumbent on the IPv6 WG to deliver a viable PI replacement BEFORE > removing the only PI addressing model we have. This is where we disagree. I think we have learnt since FEC0::/10 was defined (in 1995) that ambiguous PI space is *not* viable, as a resul

Re: Why I support deprecating SLs

2003-04-06 Thread Leif Johansson
Dan Lanciani wrote: |(provider |independence perhaps)? Please make the distinction for the sake of clarity. Re-read what I wrote above. Give them globals with the same (or better) level of stability as their private addresses. So you are talking about renumbering, provider independence, etc.

Re: Site Local == Network Address Translation?

2003-04-06 Thread Aidan Williams
Eliot Lear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since we have established that site-locals will encourage the use of NATs ('cause that's how it's done today) I really struggle to see why people would use an IPv6-to-IPv6 NAT -- there just doesn't seem to be any incentive. If you wanted to deploy a NAT, surely

Re: A different FEC0::/10 proposal

2003-04-06 Thread Andrew White
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > This doesn't resolve the problem of ambiguous subnet prefixes > when routing domains merge. So it doesn't go far enough IMHO. That's because dealing with uniqueness and merging is a deployment issue, not an architectural issue. The proposal specifies what the routing

Yet another FEC0::/10 proposal

2003-04-06 Thread Nick 'Sharkey' Moore
On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 06:16:45PM +1000, Andrew White wrote: > Let's ask a different question. Would the following be acceptable: I like the direction Andrew is taking, but how about an alternative set of rules which will cope with multiple scopes a bit better. The precise meaning of 'scope' h

RE: Last Call: Textual Conventions for IPv6 Flow Label to Proposed Standard

2003-04-06 Thread john . loughney
Hi Bert, It seems that these sections are duplicates: 6. Intellectual Property Notice The IETF takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any intellectual property or other rights that might be claimed to pertain to the implementation or use of the technology described in

Goals vs. process

2003-04-06 Thread Tony Hain
Margaret, I am not trying to twist words, I am reflecting what I hear as it applies to the reality of the deployed network. Our primary disagreement is over process. Forgive me but I can't figure out the technical differences that exist, because at this point it is not clear to me what you believe

Re: Yet another FEC0::/10 proposal

2003-04-06 Thread Mark . Andrews
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 06:16:45PM +1000, Andrew White wrote: > > Let's ask a different question. Would the following be acceptable: > > > I like the direction Andrew is taking, but how about an alternative > set of rules which will cope with multiple scopes a bit better. > The precise meani