IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-01 Thread T.J. Kniveton
Hi, I am looking through the Address Autoconfig (RFC 2462) and Neighbor Discovery (RFC 2461) drafts, and there seems to be a bit of discrepancy about deprecating prefixes. Specifically, let's consider the scenario described in RFC 2461 on page 78-79. A prefix has been advertised with a lifetime

IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread T.J. Kniveton
Hi, I am looking through the Address Autoconfig (RFC 2462) and Neighbor Discovery (RFC 2461) drafts, and there seems to be a bit of discrepancy about deprecating prefixes. Specifically, let's consider the scenario described in RFC 2461 on page 78-79. A prefix has been advertised with a lifetime

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-02 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:06:31 -0800, > "T.J. Kniveton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > However, RFC 2462 has stated that unless router advertisements are > authenticated, any router advertisement trying to expire the prefix > (which still has a few days, to most of a month, of validity left

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-02 Thread Matt Crawford
Is it OK with everyone that a node that has been turned off for a while, could possibly be *unusable* on a network for two hours? We can not say I think "unusuable" is too strong. There will presumably be newer prefixes advertised and no rule makes the node ignore those. Also, doesn't t

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-02 Thread T.J. Kniveton
on 2/2/01 5:26 AM, JINMEI Tatuya / wrote: >> On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:06:31 -0800, >> "T.J. Kniveton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> However, RFC 2462 has stated that unless router advertisements are >> authenticated, any router advertisement trying to expire the prefix >> (which stil

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-02 Thread T.J. Kniveton
[I am crossposting to Mobile-IP since I am throwing in some info about mobiles] on 2/2/01 7:41 AM, Matt Crawford wrote: > Is it OK with everyone that a node that has been turned off for a while, > could possibly be *unusable* on a network for two hours? We can not say > > I think "unusuable" is

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-02 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
>Now the mobile node is turned on, on September 25th, in a visited network. >It starts receiving router advertisements for the local link. It configures >a link-local care-of address. It wants to contact its Home Agent to register >a binding for its care-of address. link-local care-of add

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-03 Thread T.J. Kniveton
Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: > > >Now the mobile node is turned on, on September 25th, in a visited network. > >It starts receiving router advertisements for the local link. It configures > >a link-local care-of address. It wants to contact its Home Agent to register > >a binding for its care-

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:17:32 -0800, > "T.J. Kniveton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> In this case, we can reasonably assume that a new prefix (with positive >> valid and preferred lifetimes) is being advertised. Thus, we have at >> least one preferred address. Also, in the scenario abo

RE: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread Powell, Ken
> -Original Message- > From: T.J. Kniveton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 2:58 PM > To: Matt Crawford > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem > > Some layer above IP is choosing the

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

RE: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread Hesham Soliman (ERA)
> > > > Also, doesn't the node's stack need to allow for the possibility that > > when it is powered back on, it is connected to a different link entirely? > > Good point. I didn't even get into the problems with mobile nodes. Imagine, > for instance the following twist: > > The mobile node had

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread Mattias Pettersson
"T.J. Kniveton" wrote: > > [I am crossposting to Mobile-IP since I am throwing in some info about > mobiles] > > > > Also, doesn't the node's stack need to allow for the possibility that > > when it is powered back on, it is connected to a different link entirely? > > Good point. I didn't eve

RE: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread Richard Draves
> Specifically, let's consider the scenario described in RFC > 2461 on page > 78-79. A prefix has been advertised with a lifetime of two months, a > machine is turned off on July 31st, then on Aug. 1st, it's decided the > prefix should expire on Sep 1st. The host is turned back during > September

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread T.J. Kniveton
Richard Draves wrote: > > > Specifically, let's consider the scenario described in RFC > > 2461 on page > > 78-79. A prefix has been advertised with a lifetime of two months, a > > machine is turned off on July 31st, then on Aug. 1st, it's decided the > > prefix should expire on Sep 1st. The host

RE: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-05 Thread Richard Draves
> > I don't know of any implementations that keep prefixes in a > persistent > > store. My expectaction would be that when the host is > turned back on in > > September, it will send an RS and get RAs and > auto-configure itself without > > any memory of the old prefix. > > No, the mobile node

Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-06 Thread Mattias Pettersson
"T.J. Kniveton" wrote: > > Mattias Pettersson wrote: > > Are your prefix lifetimes not supposed to be in the same order as the > > renumbering period? If your renumbering takes one month, set valid > > lifetime to one month for prefixes announces long before the renumbering > > phase starts. In

RE: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-07 Thread Erik Nordmark
> I don't know of any implementations that keep prefixes in a persistent > store. My expectaction would be that when the host is turned back on in > September, it will send an RS and get RAs and auto-configure itself without > any memory of the old prefix. The Solaris 8 IPv6 implementation retai

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-05 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-10 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-10 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-12 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-12 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-12 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-12 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-14 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-14 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-14 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-14 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-15 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-15 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem]

2001-02-15 Thread T.J. Kniveton
"Hesham Soliman (ERA)" wrote: > => I don't have a concrete proposal but basically the problem > here is manual configuration of the Home address / prefix. > If the MN can decouple its identity from the Home prefix > and use something more abstract (eg. NAI) then the

RE: [MOBILE-IP] IPv6 Prefix Deprecation Problem

2001-02-06 Thread Hesham Soliman (ERA)
> > One requirement that we came up to when writing Mobile IPv6 i-d v13 was > > that the Mobile Node must somehow know its home prefix or a DNS name > > representing the home prefix or home agents anycast address. How the > > Well, DNS is the option that's most likely to survive a network > renu