Re: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Keith Moore wrote: So, as I wrote in this forum about a week ago, what I'd like to see in that area is simply provider independant, registry allocated, easy accessible (very low registry fees, no question asked) public address space, and then forget about the scope discussion

RE: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Michel Py
Brian, Michel Py wrote: Because then the addresses used on the private network would be routable PI, which is exactly what network designers don't want when they design a private network with private addresses. Brian Carpenter wrote: I still don't understand the difference between using a

Re: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:09:20 -0700 Michel Py [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routing it over the Internet (without a VPN) for inter-entrerprise communication would also be perfectly legitimate, host-to-host IPSEC for example. Then the line between it and global PI ceases to exist. I think a

Re: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew White
Possibly naive, but I'm not convinced that leaking local addresses for PI purposes is that big a problem. Assumptions (as specified by H/H draft): (1) Most (all compliant) trunk routers will not route local packets. Most (all compliant) border routers will not route local packets. Some

Re: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Keith Moore
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:29:15 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I almost agree, except that I would insist on no cost. Low cost is often impossible, since that even a base charge for $0.50 requires invoicing across several continents and purchasing departments and levels

Re: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Keith Moore
So, as I wrote in this forum about a week ago, what I'd like to see in that area is simply provider independant, registry allocated, easy accessible (very low registry fees, no question asked) public address space, and then forget about the scope discussion which is an

RE: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Michel, At 12:09 PM 8/12/2003 -0700, Michel Py wrote: - Whatever we can say about it, the network administrator gets to pick what becomes of the Hinden/Haberman draft, globally routable PI _or_ private address. The prefix can't serve both purposes at the same time for reasons explained 20

Re: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Alain Durand
Brian E Carpenter wrote: What you refuse to acknowledge is that there is a high probability that the Hinden/Haberman draft will be misused as globally routable PI. There's a 100% probability it will be used for inter-enterprise routing (i.e. exceptions such as VPNs to normal routing).

PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
A considered reply to a couple of postings: Under the subject RE: site-local observations from the outside Michel Py wrote: Brian, Michel Py wrote: It's a matter of risk: If I use the Hinden/Haberman draft as private addresses, and if it ends up being perverted as PI, my entire

Re: PI, routeable PI,

2003-08-14 Thread Charles E. Perkins
Hello Alain, Alain Durand wrote: So, as I wrote in this forum about a week ago, what I'd like to see in that area is simply provider independant, registry allocated, easy accessible (very low registry fees, no question asked) public address space, and then forget about the scope discussion