Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-21 Thread Manish Kumar
Although I prefer it over some of the other names, discovery isn't making too good an adjective here. How about Dynamic Secure VPN without over qualifying dynamic ? Thanks, Manish On 19/03/12 1:27 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: As Tero pointed out, some of the use cases don't end up

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-19 Thread Michael Richardson
Yoav == Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com writes: Yoav As Tero pointed out, some of the use cases don't end up in a Yoav full mesh, because sometimes administrators really want a Yoav trunk, so the end result could be a mesh among nodes in the Yoav same organization, and a trunk to

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-19 Thread Mark Boltz
I agree that the meshing becomes messy. And thus, Yoav's comment on partial mesh and such is valid. Since the topology is, in my view, based on the use cases and the problem statement as I have understood them, a somewhat nebulous thing, I would offer up a very simple term for the goal:

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-19 Thread Stephen Hanna
] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED I agree that the meshing becomes messy. And thus, Yoav's comment on partial mesh and such is valid. Since the topology is, in my view, based on the use cases and the problem statement as I have understood them, a somewhat nebulous thing, I would offer up a very

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-19 Thread Mark Boltz
To: IPsecme WG Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED I agree that the meshing becomes messy. And thus, Yoav's comment on partial mesh and such is valid. Since the topology is, in my view, based on the use cases and the problem statement as I have understood them, a somewhat nebulous thing, I

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-19 Thread Michael Richardson
#part sign=pgpmime Paul == Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org writes: Interesting. I always considered the requirement of a trust relationship of some kind an inherent part of VPN (of any kind, SSL, IPsec or otherwise), and assumed most people did. Paul Mark, meet Michael

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-14 Thread Michael Richardson
Paul == Paul Wouters p...@cypherpunks.ca writes: Few of my suggestions here 1.) Cut through VPN 2.) Auto mesh VPN Paul Coming from FreeS/WAN and Openswan, I'm tempted to call it Paul OEVPN, where OE stands for Opportunistc Encryption. It's not Opportunistic. It's

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-14 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Michael Richardson wrote: Paul == Paul Wouters p...@cypherpunks.ca writes: Few of my suggestions here 1.) Cut through VPN 2.) Auto mesh VPN Paul Coming from FreeS/WAN and Openswan, I'm tempted to call it Paul OEVPN, where OE stands for Opportunistc

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-14 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: Guess that's what I get for not fully reading the doument yet. A note to everyone: reading the document sooner rather than later will help make our hour in Paris much more useful. I assumed P2P actually meant peer to peer which kinda assumes

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-13 Thread Hu, Jun (Jun)
...@cesg.gsi.gov.uk Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED Of course, you're right. The acronym DMVPN makes this a very bad choice. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll throw out a few ideas here: Dynamic Direct VPN (DDVPN) Shortcut VPN (SVPN) Dynamic Scalable VPN (DSVPN) Dynamic Efficient VPN (DEVPN

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-13 Thread Praveen Sathyanarayan
: ipsec@ietf.org; chris.ulli...@cesg.gsi.gov.uk Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED Steve, I do not think changing the name to Dynamic Mesh VPN is a good idea. The first thing that is going to happen is that it is going to be shortened to DMVPN and then we have conflict

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-13 Thread Mark Boltz
...@cesg.gsi.gov.ukmailto:chris.ulli...@cesg.gsi.gov.uk Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED Of course, you're right. The acronym DMVPN makes this a very bad choice. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll throw out a few ideas here: Dynamic Direct VPN (DDVPN) Shortcut VPN (SVPN) Dynamic

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-12 Thread Ulliott, Chris
[mailto:ipsec-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ulliott, Chris Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 4:53 PM To: 'ipsec@ietf.org' Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED Classification:UNCLASSIFIED How about dynamic mesh VPNs as a title as I think the dynamic part is key here and probably

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-12 Thread Stephen Hanna
. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Mike Sullenberger [mailto:m...@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:57 PM To: Stephen Hanna Cc: ipsec@ietf.org; chris.ulli...@cesg.gsi.gov.uk Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED Steve, I do not think changing the name

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-12 Thread Stephen Hanna
, Chris [mailto:chris.ulli...@cesg.gsi.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:16 PM To: 'm...@cisco.com'; Stephen Hanna Cc: 'ipsec@ietf.org' Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED Classification:UNCLASSIFIED Good catch! I've also thought of an additional use case, as I extend

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-07 Thread Ulliott, Chris
Classification:UNCLASSIFIED How about dynamic mesh VPNs as a title as I think the dynamic part is key here and probably an important aspect of the use cases. Chris [This message has been sent by a mobile device] - Original Message - From: Yaron Sheffer [mailto:yaronf.i...@gmail.com]

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-07 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Fine with me. Yaron On 03/07/2012 11:52 PM, Ulliott, Chris wrote: Classification:UNCLASSIFIED How about dynamic mesh VPNs as a title as I think the dynamic part is key here and probably an important aspect of the use cases. Chris [This message has been sent by a mobile device]

Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED

2012-03-07 Thread Stephen Hanna
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 4:53 PM To: 'ipsec@ietf.org' Subject: Re: [IPsec] P2P VPN draft UNCLASSIFIED Classification:UNCLASSIFIED How about dynamic mesh VPNs as a title as I think the dynamic part is key here and probably an important aspect of the use cases. Chris