Re: Removing features

2003-10-14 Thread Juan Rodriguez Hervella
On Tuesday 14 October 2003 11:36, Jeroen Massar wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Juan Rodriguez Hervella wrote: SNIP Do you know what are the problems that *root zone operators* are experiencing with RFC 1918 addresses ? It would be very interesting if you could explain

Re: Raise the bar for v6?

2003-10-14 Thread Bill Manning
% We still don't have any IPv6 root nameservers. I gather one of the % problems here is the limit on response message sizes for DNS queries. No and Yes. There is an IPv6 native DNS system in place that supports the root zone and many TLDs. Its not the production DNS,

Response to IESG comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-flow-label-07.txt

2003-10-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
The IESG comments on this document are at https://www.ietf.org/IESG/EVALUATIONS/draft-ietf-ipv6-flow-label.bal It's taken a while for the authors to discover them, but here are our responses. We'd like the WG's reactions over the next few days, so that we can update the draft appropriately.

Will IPv4 be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough ?

2003-10-14 Thread Mark Smith
Hi, A recent discussion came up on the ipv6 mailing list regarding why the market picked up IPv4 NAT, initially asked by Geoff Huston, and posted to the list by Pekka Savola. Archives of the discussion are available at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ipngm=106389565013129w=2 and

RE: Response to IESG comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-flow-label-07.tx t

2003-10-14 Thread Soliman Hesham
It also isn't clear how collisions would be managed (Section 3, third paragraph) if it were possible for any multiple applications on the same host to specify Flow Label values. We deleted a whole lot of implementation recommendations in this area, at the WG's request.

Re: Will IPv4 be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough ?

2003-10-14 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: Will IPv4 be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough ? Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 11:43:36PM +0930 Quoting Mark Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): That brings to my mind two questions a) Is IPv4 going to be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough? If so, are the related IPv4 NAT

RE: Will IPv4 be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough ?

2003-10-14 Thread Michel Py
Mark, Mark Smith wrote: a) Is IPv4 going to be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough? If so, are the related IPv4 NAT RFCs also going to be deprecated at that time ? IMHO it's not a matter of being good enough, it's a matter of how many IPv4 hosts are still up. The IETF deprecating

Re: Will IPv4 be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough ?

2003-10-14 Thread Fred Baker
At 07:13 AM 10/14/2003, Mark Smith wrote: A little later, it occured to me that maybe what the market might be missing is a statement from the IETF, IESG and/or IAB, that IPv6 is now *ready*, and can be deployed in production via the available transition mechanisms, slowly replacing IPv4 (+

Re: Will IPv4 be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough ?

2003-10-14 Thread Carlos Friacas
My 2 (euro-)cents: That brings to my mind two questions a) Is IPv4 going to be formally deprecated when IPv6 is good enough? No. If so, are the related IPv4 NAT RFCs also going to be deprecated at that time ? No. b) Is IPv6 good enough yet ? No. Still a lot of work to be done.

RE: IPv6 adoption behavior

2003-10-14 Thread Michel Py
Fred, Fred Baker wrote: Frankly, it's not about IPv4 exhaustion, it is about market adoption of IPv6. IPv4 address exhaustion will never occur. As we approach 100% allocation (being now a tad over 60% allocation), the level of administrative pushback on a new allocation requests will

Re: IPv6 adoption behavior

2003-10-14 Thread Geoff Huston
At 10:52 AM 14/10/2003 -0700, Fred Baker wrote: At 09:48 AM 10/14/2003, Michel Py wrote: In my wildest dreams, 10 years at least; possibly 20 depending on how good the projections in terms of IPv4 exhaustion are. Frankly, it's not about IPv4 exhaustion, it is about market adoption of IPv6. IPv4

Re: IPv6 adoption behavior

2003-10-14 Thread Dan Lanciani
Geoff Huston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: |Indeed. The only other factor here is that it is not entirely a clean |substitution, |as NATs provide an alternative product which is an imperfect substitution. |The extent |to which the market, over the past few years, has tended towards NATs despite

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