Re: SL deprecation draft

2003-11-19 Thread EricLKlein
Christian Huitema wrote: Frankly, I don't believe that we should worry about net 10 in the site local deprecation draft. The site local deprecation document is specifically about the prefix 0xFEC0::/10. In any case, such addresses are explicitly banned in the IPv6 addressing architecture.

Re: draft-hain-templin-ipv6-localcomm-03 comments

2003-11-19 Thread Pekka Savola
Hi, I just about used up all my aspirin and tranquilizers trying to read this message constructively and trying to write a constructive reply to this message but failed. I don't think this document is constructive as a requirements document, and I'll strongly oppose it being adopted as WG

RE: SL deprecation draft

2003-11-19 Thread Margaret . Wasserman
Hi Eric, I have been speaking to different companies here in Israel, and the basic answer is that if I can not have site locals and NAT then I will not move to IPv6. If these people are happy with IPv4 NAT, why would they want to move to IPv6? They couldn't need more address space (net

Re: SL deprecation draft

2003-11-19 Thread EricLKlein
Margaret.Wasserman wrote I have been speaking to different companies here in Israel, and the basic answer is that if I can not have site locals and NAT then I will not move to IPv6. If these people are happy with IPv4 NAT, why would they want to move to IPv6? They couldn't need more

Re: SL deprecation draft

2003-11-19 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 03:12:16PM +0200, EricLKlein wrote: This is not the first time that I have heard that someone was willing to skip IPv6 because of the percieved pain and security threat that standards compliance would entail. But then again these are all people that take security and

Issue 19 of draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-05.txt

2003-11-19 Thread Thomas Narten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nodes MUST always be able to receive fragment headers. However, if it does not implement path MTU discovery it may not need to send fragment headers. However, nodes that do not implement transmission of fragment headers need to impose a

RE: Issue 19 of draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-05.txt

2003-11-19 Thread john . loughney
Thomas, how about: Nodes MUST always be able to send and receive fragment headers. Note that even in the case where a sender does not implement or use Path MTU discovery [RFC 1981], the sender must still be prepared to send fragment headers, even for packets

AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread john . loughney
Here are some comments from Margaret. John -Original Message- From: Wasserman Margaret (NRC/Boston) Hi John, I have reviewed the IPv6 Node Requirements draft. In general, I think tha the document looks good, but I do have several comments (attached). I believe that an update

Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread john . loughney
NITS, my comments preceded by JAL: As it is not always possible for an implementer to know the exact usage of IPv6 in a node, an overriding requirement for IPv6 nodes is that they should adhere to John Postel's Robustness Principle: Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in

Node Req. Issue 28: Security Considerations

2003-11-19 Thread john . loughney
Margaret asked 2 points: 11. Security Considerations In the IPsec section, you mention that other security issues will be covered in the Security Considerations section, but I don't see any issues here... Why aren't privacy addresses covered in this document? Should this be covered in

Re: Issue 19 of draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-05.txt

2003-11-19 Thread Jari Arkko
Thomas Narten wrote: Nodes MUST always be able to receive fragment headers. However, if it does not implement path MTU discovery it may not need to send fragment headers. However, nodes that do not implement transmission of fragment headers need to impose a limitation to the payload size

Re: Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread Jari Arkko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An IPv6 node must include support for one or more IPv6 link-layer specifications. Which link-layer specifications are included will depend upon what link-layers are supported by the hardware available on the system. It is possible for a conformant IPv6 node to support

RE: Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread john . loughney
Jari, 4.6 Multicast Listener Discovery (MLD) for IPv6 - RFC2710 If an application is going to join any-source multicast group addresses, it SHOULD implement MLDv1. When MLD is used, the rules in Source Address Selection for the Multicast Listener Discovery (MLD) Protocol

Re: Issue 19 of draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-05.txt

2003-11-19 Thread Thomas Narten
I'm OK with the proposed text, except Pekka Savola asked me if it should be changed to: Nodes MUST always be able to send, receive and process fragment ^^^ headers. Note that even in the case where a sender does not

Re: Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread Jari Arkko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the only question that I have left is... whether IPv6 nodes should support MLDv2 instead of MLDv1. The node requirements document and the MLDv2 draft intro gives the impression that the only difference is source-specific filtering. Then the current node reqs rules

Re: Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread Brian Haberman
Jari Arkko wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the only question that I have left is... whether IPv6 nodes should support MLDv2 instead of MLDv1. The node requirements document and the MLDv2 draft intro gives the impression that the only difference is source-specific filtering. Then the

Re: Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread Jean-Jacques Pansiot
Brian Haberman wrote: Jari Arkko wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the only question that I have left is... whether IPv6 nodes should support MLDv2 instead of MLDv1. The node requirements document and the MLDv2 draft intro gives the impression that the only difference is source-specific

Re: [dccp] PMTU issues

2003-11-19 Thread Eddie Kohler
It's also possible for DCCP to get a better initial estimate of the PMTU, and apparently there are other problems with the current DCCP PMTUD mechanism (using ICMP can't fragment messages). Yes -- The current draft tries to make clear (but fails to) that a new, PLPMTUD-style MTU discovery

Re: [dccp] PMTU issues

2003-11-19 Thread Fred Templin
Eddie, Yes, I agree with the idea of initially plumbing the path MTU when a connection starts up. If the application has lots of data to send, it might initially try to plumb out to the largest possible MTU; if only a little, it might be less aggressive during startup. It might also be desireable

Re: Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread Brian Haberman
Jean-Jacques Pansiot wrote: Brian Haberman wrote: Jari Arkko wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the only question that I have left is... whether IPv6 nodes should support MLDv2 instead of MLDv1. The node requirements document and the MLDv2 draft intro gives the impression that the

Re: Issue 29: AD REVIEW: IPv6 Node Requirements

2003-11-19 Thread Jari Arkko
Brian Haberman wrote: So, I think I answered this already in an earlier message, but let me clarify something here. The IP stack layer really does not know what kinds of multicast applications are going to be run on it. A user could arbitrarily install an SSM application just as easily as an ASM