AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Francis Dupont
Here is a message from Steve Kent who is updating the RFC 2402 IP Authentication Header (AH) about the flow label status. I have put it in this list for people interested by IPsec but who have no enough time to read the mailing list... To summary the question is: Is the [ipsec] WG comfortable

Re: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Brian Haberman
Speaking as an IPv6 wg member, I am not comfortable with the flow label being unprotected. As an immutable field, it should be included in the ICV calculation. I have seen several projects started that intend on taking advantage of RFC 3697. My main question is how much of an impact would such

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Soliman, Hesham
I agree with Brian. I'd like to see it protected. Hesham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Haberman Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:50 AM To: Francis Dupont Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AH and flow label Speaking as an IPv6

Re: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: Speaking as an IPv6 wg member, I am not comfortable with the flow label being unprotected. As an immutable field, it should be included in the ICV calculation. = this is the argument which has triggered the question. I have seen several projects

Re: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Brian Haberman
On Sep 10, 2004, at 11:06, Francis Dupont wrote: In your previous mail you wrote: Speaking as an IPv6 wg member, I am not comfortable with the flow label being unprotected. As an immutable field, it should be included in the ICV calculation. = this is the argument which has triggered

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Soliman, Hesham
Francis, I agree with the drawback you see and it's not ideal. But I also think the whole flow label story was inconsistent and we finally have concensus on how we want to use it. Given the fact that it is immutable, it makes a lot of sense to protect it. The benefit depends on the

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Bound, Jim
I would have impact to existing implementations yes it is not part of the ICV now and should not be. /jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:50 AM To: Francis Dupont Cc: [EMAIL

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Bound, Jim
Francis, The flow label should not be part of the ICV because it is permitted to be rewritable enroute as long as it is delivered in tact E2E. I say keep as it is today. No other comment. Thanks for asking, /jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Pekka Savola
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Bound, Jim wrote: The flow label should not be part of the ICV because it is permitted to be rewritable enroute as long as it is delivered in tact E2E. I say keep as it is today. No other comment. But it won't be possible to verify the AH enroute in any case (or are you

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Mukesh . Gupta
Right. My question was an attempt to see how many implementations support IPSec AH today. We have one that supports IPsec AH for IPv6 and I am pretty sure that there are many more :) IETF IPv6 working group mailing list

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Stephen Kent
At 11:37 AM -0400 9/10/04, Bound, Jim wrote: Francis, The flow label should not be part of the ICV because it is permitted to be rewritable enroute as long as it is delivered in tact E2E. I say keep as it is today. No other comment. Thanks for asking, /jim Jim, If it is delivered with the same

RE: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Bound, Jim
OK I am worried now. Is there a security hole and potentially serious problem by not including the Flowlabel in the ICV? We do need to ask this question and should not ignore it. Then the trade offs can be determined. But that data and what problem it solves should be fairly compelling to go

Re: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
The flow label should not be part of the ICV because it is permitted to be rewritable enroute as long as it is delivered in tact E2E. I say keep as it is today. No other comment. nodes in the middle are also unlikely to be in a position to verify the ICV. if it is, in fact, guaranteed to be

Re: AH and flow label

2004-09-10 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: For Moonv6 testing we had 6 production implementations of IPsec with IPv6. Speculation is in early 2005 we will have 11-15. So it has been implemented for that question and with production code. But how painful is it to add this to the ICV? = it