Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-04-01 Thread Stig Venaas
...@ietf.org 6...@ietf.org Sent: Friday, 29 March 2013 7:21 PM Subject: Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast Hi Mark, interesting draft. I'm interested in this from a 6LoWPAN perspective -- everything we can do to get rid of multicasts is very good for 6LoWPANs. I

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-30 Thread Michael Richardson
Could some combination of IGMPv3 and ND signal to whatever is sending doing the layer-2 multicast operations (e.g. the sender, or the router) that the receiver would prefer to be receive layer-2 unicasts? That could therefore happen at the IGMP aware switch, etc. -- ] Never tell

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Andrew McGregor
Isn't this something that could be done entirely at the sub-IP layer for link technologies where this is an issue? I'd argue that all multicast in 802.11 is badly broken, and should be fixed at that layer (multicast can be more than 50x slower than unicast, and packet loss can approach 80% while

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Smith
Hi Andrew, Thanks very much for your review and comments. From: Andrew McGregor andrewm...@gmail.com To: Mark Smith markzzzsm...@yahoo.com.au Cc: 6...@ietf.org 6...@ietf.org Sent: Friday, 29 March 2013 5:37 PM Subject: Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Carsten Bormann
Hi Mark, interesting draft. I'm interested in this from a 6LoWPAN perspective -- everything we can do to get rid of multicasts is very good for 6LoWPANs. I don't understand how you think NUD would work with this (3.2) -- are you saying that the multicast emitter actively runs NUD to the

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Smith
Hi Carsten, Thanks very much for your review and comments. - Original Message - From: Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org To: Mark Smith markzzzsm...@yahoo.com.au Cc: 6...@ietf.org 6...@ietf.org Sent: Friday, 29 March 2013 7:21 PM Subject: Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Mar 29, 2013, at 10:52, Mark Smith markzzzsm...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Yes. NUD is performed on the link-local addresses used as the source addresses for the MLDv2 messages. RFC 4861 says: Neighbor Unreachability Detection detects the failure of a neighbor or the failure of the forward

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Smith
Hi Carsten, - Original Message - From: Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org To: Mark Smith markzzzsm...@yahoo.com.au Cc: ipv6@ietf.org ipv6@ietf.org Sent: Friday, 29 March 2013 9:07 PM Subject: Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast On Mar 29, 2013, at 10:52

RE: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Dave Thaler
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thaler-ngtrans-6to4-multicast is work we did back in 2000 on this same topic. At the time, the draft is written from the perspective of the 6to4 NBMA link, but the topic was discussed (specifically by those in the acknowledgements section, and to a lesser

Re: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Smith
...@ietf.org 6...@ietf.org Cc: mbo...@ietf.org mbo...@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, 30 March 2013 7:55 AM Subject: RE: MLDv2 Procedures for Link-Layer Unicast Delivery of Multicast http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thaler-ngtrans-6to4-multicast is work we did back in 2000 on this same topic.  At the time