[The Java Posse] Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Steve
Not really about Java, but relevant to some of the recent discussions on the podcast about google: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Wildam
On 6 Jul., 13:16, kirk wrote: > it is coming in 7.0. Although it's common to want to switch on strings > IMHO its an indication that you want behavior in your strings which is > not String like so using a String isn't what you really want to be > using. I was used using that to evaluate series o

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Michael Kimsal
> > Indeed - especially for a newcomer - there are so many options. A > friend > of mine working with .NET told me: "We have just one option for many > things > but that does everything we need, so why bother. We don't have the > time to > do long evaluations of frameworks." Although I do understa

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Becker
Martin Wildam wrote: [...] >> Especially to Windows people, the .NET experience is a big temptation >> for the works-out-of-the-box experience. Java and the support >> ecosystem has come a long way since the first measly IDE's (Forte, >> JBuilder... ) but it was Visual Studio that really started

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Ben Schulz
There's this joke; I think Subversion's Ben Collins-Sussman came up with it. It goes "the world is full of jerks, and the web makes it seems like they're all next door." So I wonder, why would anyone want to "live on the web"? With kind regards Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Casper Bang
> I'd prefer more people spend their time making decisions about > business-level or application-level issues, rather than language or > framework issues.  In the MS world, it *can* be much easier to focus > on those issues regardless of your team's experience, because almost > without exception t

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Casper Bang
Hmm I wonder why not simply embrace and extend Android. They already target ARM and with an existing SDK and ecosystem. Unless Dalvik performance is in question here, I'm not sure I understand the move. /Casper On 8 Jul., 10:00, Steve wrote: > Not really about Java, but relevant to some of the

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Jess Holle
Casper Bang wrote: > That's indeed the idea of abstraction, being able to express intent > with course, context-free building blocks. Java caters to the > philosophy that we should expand though the library, which is > admirable. The problem is that the core language does not really > support this

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Casper Bang
> I'm still not convinced operator overloading is a good thing. > > If it can be introduced specifically for BigDecimal in a clean way, so > that all the operators have a clear meaning and there's little need to > use the corresponding methods, fine.  BigDecimal has 2 add methods, 6 > divide metho

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Jess Holle
Casper Bang wrote: >> I'm still not convinced operator overloading is a good thing. >> >> If it can be introduced specifically for BigDecimal in a clean way, so >> that all the operators have a clear meaning and there's little need to >> use the corresponding methods, fine. BigDecimal has 2 add me

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Properties

2009-07-08 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
True, I'm known to overpromise. But this is no pipe dream. Just putting the finishing touches on it. It's not bijective so far, but on the plus side the effort required to change your eclipse is minimal, and you don't need to change your javac at all. Thank you, annotation processor API! I explic

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Alexey Zinger
If you get too far down that road (script evaluation), you might wanna consider JavaCC. Alexey From: Martin Wildam To: The Java Posse Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 4:21:17 AM Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion On 6 Jul.,

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread ad
I was also wondering about the separation from android. btw, in terms of google's motivation, I think this is pretty spot on: http://www.maximise.dk/blog/2009/07/why-google-is-making-operating-system.html Adam On Jul 8, 8:55 am, Casper Bang wrote: > Hmm I wonder why not simply embrace and ext

[The Java Posse] Dick, you might want to hold of that Hero purchase

2009-07-08 Thread Casper Bang
Seems like HTC are not the only ones to pimp Google's stock Android. Rosie/Sense might look impressive, but the build for the upcoming "Rachael" Sony-Ericsson phone puts it to shame: http://androidguys.com/?p=5953 With 4" touch, 800x480 resolution, 1GHz (vs. 528MHz) CPU and a 8MP camera the hardw

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread ad
but fake steve jobs on chrome os is much more entertaining http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2009/07/lets-all-take-deep-breath-and-get-some.html Adam On Jul 8, 1:06 pm, ad wrote: > I was also wondering about the separation from android. > > btw, in terms of google's motivation, I think this is pre

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Henrique de Miranda Gontijo
-- why would anyone want to "live on the web"? For me, they are looking for the best way to make business - services. Everything in the web is at "my control" and I can change and manipulate when I want. For the general users, they won't need to take care about how the data is stored. They only wan

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Joshua Marinacci
HTML only apps will be awesome. They will be the only thing you need. No native apps at all. Just like the iPhone. It shipped with only HTML apps and that's all that ever people wanted. :) On Jul 8, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Henrique de Miranda Gontijo wrote: > -- why would anyone want to "live on th

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Steven Herod
I find this comment remarkable: "and we're definitely going to need a lot of help from the open source community to accomplish this vision." With a market cap of 127.16B, a gross profit of 13.17B and two founders at number 26 on the worlds richest I find that quite amazing. (If you want to spen

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Mark Derricutt
How do you think they made that 13.17B profit? By using unpaid slave labour from open source peeps ;-) -- On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Steven Herod wrote: > With a market cap of 127.16B, a gross profit of 13.17B and two > founders at number 26 on the worlds richest I find that quite amazin

[The Java Posse] Re: Google Chrome OS

2009-07-08 Thread Casper Bang
Still, that model makes more interesting software than Microsoft's milk cows! /Casper On 9 Jul., 01:34, Mark Derricutt wrote: > How do you think they made that 13.17B profit?  By using unpaid slave labour > from open source peeps ;-) > > -- > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Steven Herod wrot

[The Java Posse] Re: Future of the Java language discussion

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Becker
Casper Bang wrote: >> I'd prefer more people spend their time making decisions about >> business-level or application-level issues, rather than language or >> framework issues. In the MS world, it *can* be much easier to focus >> on those issues regardless of your team's experience, because almos

[The Java Posse] Re: On the Agile Staffing episode

2009-07-08 Thread edencane
I thought the whole episode was fit for the gossip column. Come on! There was so much finger pointing at unnamed individuals. Take a piss at something real. It makes me sick to hear someone brag about how many people they fired...?! If this is what agile is about count me OUT! Bad session! On Jun

[The Java Posse] Re: Dick, you might want to hold of that Hero purchase

2009-07-08 Thread Bill Robertson
If this interview is to be believed, it doesn't sound like they will. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Gosling-Whats-Good-for-Google-May-Not-be-Good-for-Java-25/ On Jul 8, 2:09 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > Seems like HTC are not the only ones to pimp Google's stock Android. > Ro