[The Java Posse] Re: Dictionary-like container?

2010-04-09 Thread tachoknight
Perfect! Thanks a lot! On Apr 9, 11:30 pm, Peter Becker wrote: > I think you might be looking for something like this: > > http://google-collections.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/javadoc/index.html... > > or this: > > http://commons.apache.org/collections/apidocs/org/apache/commons/coll... > > HTH, >

Re: [The Java Posse] Dictionary-like container?

2010-04-09 Thread Peter Becker
I think you might be looking for something like this: http://google-collections.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/javadoc/index.html?com/google/common/collect/BiMap.html or this: http://commons.apache.org/collections/apidocs/org/apache/commons/collections/bidimap/package-summary.html HTH, Peter On

[The Java Posse] Dictionary-like container?

2010-04-09 Thread tachoknight
Hi all- I have a situation where I have to create a dictionary of strings, but want to search on both the word and the definition, which in this case will also be just a single word (e.g. "hello" -> "bonjour"). Maps are the logical choice, I think, but I would end up having to create two, one for

[The Java Posse] Re: Software Patents and Joe bashing

2010-04-09 Thread Christian Catchpole
The big difference between property law and IP law is that property are individual objects. I can own 1000 houses. They don't affect any of the other houses on the planet. Ideas are singletons. "Temporary" may as well mean eternity in technology markets. By the time I'm allowed to release an O

[The Java Posse] Re: Software Patents and Joe bashing

2010-04-09 Thread Steve
On Apr 9, 10:31 pm, Marcin Szkudlarek wrote: > Capitalism is about respect for individual's property. People have > right to own things. If you deny this principle then you're going into > direction of communism/socialism and I believe that's what Joe meant. > So saying that patent law is communis

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Jess Holle
Apple's behavior here is utterly bogus. Sure they want the world to use Objective C and their APIs to program. Requiring developers to either do so or stay off their platform, though? Seriously? My solution is the same as Christian's: stay off their platform. Their platform may be a lot c

[The Java Posse] Re: Posse anti-Microsoft bias can lead to whitewashing of other companies' record

2010-04-09 Thread Christian Catchpole
Unless it's Apple :) have you noticed on the Apple JDK, "Apple".equals("Steve Jobs") returns true On Apr 10, 5:56 am, Alexey wrote: > I'm not sure I understand the difference between morals and ethics in > business.  To me, whatever fine differences between them, they're both > irrelevant without

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Christian Catchpole
if (true) __ <- line [Apple] <- crossed There's no way I'm doing any Apple dev now. Life is too short. I'm too busy breaching patents as it is. :) On Apr 10, 2:27 am, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've just received this, and I've only go

[The Java Posse] Re: How To Make Your Java Code Understandable

2010-04-09 Thread Vineet
I am not sure if the 'spam' was intentional, but since the site is not back up, and since I do care about this topic, I pulled the content from Google Cache. I have included it below, just in case Google flushes its cache. -- Founder, Architexa vin...@architexa.com :: 617.818.0548 www.architexa.com

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Mark Volkmann
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." Might need to append "Except on the iPhone and iPad." to the end of that. ;-) -- R. Mark Volkmann Object Computing, Inc. -- You r

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Karsten Silz
On Apr 9, 11:16 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > Who would buy a software production tool made by Adobe (or by others, since > the thing > is not directly aimed against Adobe, but against > all-the-world-outside-Apple) knowing that it produces software > products that are illegal? The millions of d

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/9/10 23:05 , Karsten Silz wrote: > > The one interesting bit is that this license change only kicks in > with iPhone OS 4. Apple could have changed the terms now, so why > wait for a couple of months? There is this theory that the > multi-taskin

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Karsten Silz
On Apr 9, 6:27 pm, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > I don't think anybody has ever reached these levels of paranoia seen > in Apple. It's even embarrassing. I don't like this change in Apple policy. I mean I wasn't exactly looking forward to cross-platform Flash apps (most cross-platform apps stink bec

Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/9/10 19:59 , Viktor Klang wrote: > So how do you determine the source of the source? Since the post refers to a paragraph of the Apple - developer agreement, which is under NDA, I don't expect that there will be an official source... soon. Maybe

[The Java Posse] Re: Posse anti-Microsoft bias can lead to whitewashing of other companies' record

2010-04-09 Thread Alexey
I'm not sure I understand the difference between morals and ethics in business. To me, whatever fine differences between them, they're both irrelevant without a context. Ethical to whom? If one party tricks another party out of some advantage in a legal fashion, someone may call it playing close

[The Java Posse] Re: Posse anti-Microsoft bias can lead to whitewashing of other companies' record

2010-04-09 Thread carl
Don't confuse morals with ethics. (or ethics with legality) In the end, companies are run by people and companies interact with people. The morality of the people at the company isn't at question, but the interactions between the company and people and other companies can be judged as ethical or no

Re: [The Java Posse] Tell me about objective C

2010-04-09 Thread Joey Gibson
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Alexey Zinger wrote: > I've never done any real Objective-C coding, but read a bit about it when I > was considering getting into iPhone development. It is my understanding > that initially Objective-C came with no memory management, but has since > attained garba

Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Viktor Klang
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Steven Siebert wrote: > Programming forensics ( > http://victoria.tc.ca/int-grps/books/techrev/fp1syl.htm), perhaps? > > Seems like an awful amount of work ($$) to go through just to block > innovation. Apple wouldn't be that evil...would they? =) > Is programmin

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Posse anti-Microsoft bias can lead to whitewashing of other companies' record

2010-04-09 Thread Alexey Zinger
Corporations are not people. They are neither good nor evil. Let's not anthropomorphize them. They make money, or at least try to. That's it. Microsoft made a bunch of money, as did Apple. They've both made moves some people were irked by and they continue to do that. They both try to con

[The Java Posse] Re: Tell me about objective C

2010-04-09 Thread Karsten Silz
On Apr 9, 6:58 pm, scphantm wrote: > bossman has me working up a plan for an IPhone app that hooks into our > existing system using our web service interface.  has anyone worked > with objective c before?  is it like c++ and c in the aspect of having > to deal with memory management and garbage co

Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Marcelo Fukushima
if the future is comprised of iPads and iPhones, will the javaposse change to objective C posse? or maybe javascript posse? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Viktor Klang wrote: > So how do you determine the source of the source? > > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Fabrizio Giudici < > fabrizio.

Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Steven Siebert
Programming forensics ( http://victoria.tc.ca/int-grps/books/techrev/fp1syl.htm), perhaps? Seems like an awful amount of work ($$) to go through just to block innovation. Apple wouldn't be that evil...would they? =) On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Viktor Klang wrote: > So how do you determin

Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Viktor Klang
So how do you determine the source of the source? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Fabrizio Giudici < fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've just received this, and I've only got a reference to an italian > website, but I think it should be

[The Java Posse] Re: Posse anti-Microsoft bias can lead to whitewashing of other companies' record

2010-04-09 Thread carl
I'm still in the camp with Tor. I think historically Microsoft has built its business on questionable ethics, going back almost 30 years. Selling mediocre products in monopoly-controlled markets. Forcing OEMs to bundle Windows. etc. Maybe they are getting better, but they now have the burden to pr

Re: [The Java Posse] Tell me about objective C

2010-04-09 Thread Alexey Zinger
I've never done any real Objective-C coding, but read a bit about it when I was considering getting into iPhone development. It is my understanding that initially Objective-C came with no memory management, but has since attained garbage collection. This means that one has to decide from the s

Re: [The Java Posse] Tell me about objective C

2010-04-09 Thread Steven Siebert
I haven't had the time to start on iPhone projects, but I have collected some links for when/if I ever get a chance. Hope this helps you: http://classroomm.com/store/ http://www.macworld.com/article/139839/stanford_itunesu.html http://cocoadevcentral.com/d/learn_objectivec/ http://developer.apple

[The Java Posse] Tell me about objective C

2010-04-09 Thread scphantm
bossman has me working up a plan for an IPhone app that hooks into our existing system using our web service interface. has anyone worked with objective c before? is it like c++ and c in the aspect of having to deal with memory management and garbage collection by myself or are their systems in t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

2010-04-09 Thread Jess Holle
I'd agreee that SWT helped kick Sun in the pants to dramatically improve Java 2D and Swing. As such it helped us all out. At this point I believe it has outlived its usefulness for >>>95% of use cases (fonts being rendered just the way you feel they should be does /not/ count in my book) and

[The Java Posse] Re: SWT Bashing. can we give it a rest

2010-04-09 Thread carl
Not all of us on the Posse are SWT bashers :) I always thought a next- generation toolkit could have been built with something like swing on top of java2D and SWT. But I guess JavaFX's scene graph is the now new new thing. On Apr 8, 12:01 pm, Lhasadad wrote: > Guys, > > Listened to latest podca

[The Java Posse] Re: Software Patents and Joe bashing

2010-04-09 Thread Marcin Szkudlarek
Capitalism is about respect for individual's property. People have right to own things. If you deny this principle then you're going into direction of communism/socialism and I believe that's what Joe meant. So saying that patent law is communistic is an absolute nonsense. It protects individual's

[The Java Posse] Re: software patents

2010-04-09 Thread Roland Tepp
I think here's where everyone in this discussion has gone wrong. The original goal of the patent law has always been to foster innovation by encouraging inventors to publish the gist of their inventions so that other inventions could be built on those. To achieve that the patent law was devised,

[The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC

2010-04-09 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just received this, and I've only got a reference to an italian website, but I think it should be easy to confirm with an international source. "Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Software Patents and Joe bashing

2010-04-09 Thread Scott Melton
Do you really expect me to believe that one sentence from one letter from another country, taken out of context supports your assertion that patent lawyers are retarded(special needs, LOL) morons and idiots? I may resemble a young baboon but even I don't buy that one. Regarding your post about

[The Java Posse] Re: Quick poll: how do you feel about JSP?

2010-04-09 Thread Alexey
JSP seems to bring strengths and weaknesses similar to a scripting language: has some good flexibility out of the box, but doesn't enforce much discipline. So it really comes down to what the circumstances warrant. Sometimes it's a shoe-in, other times, it's a terrible tangled up mess. My vote:

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple’s Secret iPhone Dev eloper Agreement Goes Public

2010-04-09 Thread Oscar Hsieh
And this is bad/good because? Sent from my iPod On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:59, "Vince O'Sullivan" wrote: It gets better... From the BBC news web site today (2010-04-09) regarding forthcoming improvements to the iPhone. "The update includes a mobile advertising platform called iAd that will be

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Quick poll: how do you feel about JSP?

2010-04-09 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Jack wrote: > 2-3 > 5. You can't secure JSP sensibly. It defaults to making XSS holes for you, which for a web technology is just frickin' wrong. -Dom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To pos

[The Java Posse] Re: Posse anti-Microsoft bias can lead to whitewashing of other companies' record

2010-04-09 Thread zeevb
On Apr 9, 1:44 am, Tor Norbye wrote: > I know that Apple is very unpopular right now for having a closed > garden, and I think we all wish things were more open. But that's not > the same as the things we've seen from Microsoft in the past You may be right but it seems that Apple is heading in t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple’s Secret iPhone Dev eloper Agreement Goes Public

2010-04-09 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "On 4/9/10 11:59 , Vince O'Sullivan wrote: > It gets better... > >> From the BBC news web site today (2010-04-09) regarding >> forthcoming > improvements to the iPhone. > > "The update includes a mobile advertising platform called iAd that > will be us

[The Java Posse] Re: Git Problems At Roundup?

2010-04-09 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Tor, the guy who advised you doesn't really know what he's talking about. Git automatically runs gc every so often, and either way, git gc can only do two things: 1) Make some disk space available, 2) Speed up git's operation. It doesn't change git's operation AT ALL. He might have meant: run '

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple’s Secret iPhone Develop er Agreement Goes Public

2010-04-09 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
It gets better... >From the BBC news web site today (2010-04-09) regarding forthcoming improvements to the iPhone. "The update includes a mobile advertising platform called iAd that will be used to place adverts in applications made by third parties." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/861061

[The Java Posse] Re: Apple’s Secret iPhone Develop er Agreement Goes Public

2010-04-09 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Maybe with an agreement to read the agreement? i.e. you first sign just the NDA part (don't share the content of the agreement you're about to get), and once you signed it, you get the full agreement, which you can either sign (also committing you to not sueing apple for more than $50, which, if th

[The Java Posse] Re: Software Patents and Joe bashing

2010-04-09 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Second point: Is joe's 'bashing' deserved? He threw the word 'communist' out there. It was a great discussion... and he deserves what he's getting. If he was a delicate wallflower I would gladly admonish the forum to hush, but the tone is relatively civil and Joe doesn't strike me as the kind of g

[The Java Posse] Re: Software Patents and Joe bashing

2010-04-09 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Nope. People who write these laws are retarded morons who get played by lobbyists. A british MP (something that bears some resemblance to a US senator or house representative) recently wrote a letter to another MP to try to convince her of the importance of a new law that, amongst many other thing