On May 5, 12:04 am, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> Oh yeah, the worlds almost-tied-with-the-#1 language is nearing end of
> life and merely hanging in there.
#2 already and declining, it seems.
Remember the TIOBE index
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
from last mon
Maybe not so narrow a niche any more. There are (unfortunately IMO) lots of
Oracle Forms and Reports folks out there that are using Java applets. Oracle
really hasn't come up with a good replacement for Forms and Reports yet (ADF
was too complicated, Application Express might win, BI/XML Publisher
Compared with Silverlight, it's been my experience as a programmer
that JavaFX is more elegant and you can generally get the same job
done with less code and simpler code. I also dislike Silverlight's
heavy dependency on IDE-generated code. I've hit several occasions
where I get a compiler error in
This is not FUD. There is uncertainty (the U part) in how fully Apple will
support Java in the future. Apple has badly neglected Java in the past and
has not commited to not doing the same in the future. What gives you any
confidence that Apple will ever release a Java update past what you have
now
As soon as we can get to the scene graph from Scala, it's dead IMO. A shame
as I agree, the language would be very good with just a few additions.
-Josh
On 5 May 2010 09:42, JamesJ wrote:
> Having done a few small projects with JavaFX:
>
> I really like the scene graph based graphics. It allow
And yet, almost all of my development in the last 10 years has been in
Java, and about 5 years ago I gave up and got a Mac (once they were on
Intel for a rev or two.). I've never looked back. I had some minor
annoyance about JDK6 which quickly was addressed with developers
access download
The more annoying thing for me are people who use "SQL" to mean,
specifically, Microsoft SQL Server. Now *that* should be outlawed!
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Casper Bang wrote:
> Triggered by the (very interesting) NoSQL episode. Why do Americans in
> particular continue to pronounce SQL a
I honestly don't understand why you think questioning that the Mac universe
is maybe not the best place for Java develoers. is fud. In the recent past,
Apple took a long time to update the JDK to 1.6 and patch 1.5. How far
behind in their releases were they? 1, 2 years? They said nothing of the
rea
Having done a few small projects with JavaFX:
I really like the scene graph based graphics. It allows easy creation of
excellent, imaginative interfaces. Performance is weak. Tools are weak.
The fact that the licence tries to force you into a web distribution model
is bizarre to me. My unders
Oh yeah, the worlds almost-tied-with-the-#1 language is nearing end of
life and merely hanging in there.
What a load of bollocks.
For the web my personal opinion is that HTML5 is clearly going to win
that fight. But JavaFX isn't just applets. In fact it's mostly not
applets.
On May 4, 3:34 pm, "
If that's the main reason to pronouce it seequel I vote we use
'squeal' instead. That's just one syllable!
On May 4, 8:26 pm, carl wrote:
> See-Quel is 2 syllables, while Es-Que-El is 3 syllables. And See-Quel
> is smoother, easier and faster to say in general. It's all about
> efficiency. :)
>
>
Replies inline.
>
> 1) Would you agree that given actions and words, Apple also considers
> Java an inferior and irrelevant platform?
Yes. Especially for desktop apps. Just like ruby, python, mono, the
entirety of the terminal (including bash, find, grep and friends),
lua, scala, java, PHP and an
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On 5/4/10 15:34 , Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
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>
> Anything but. Java (the language) is certainly not a winner, merely
> hanging in there because it is currently so widespread. Only the
> JVM is healthy, thanks to Groovy, Scala and the like.
Well, let's
> I wish they had targeted the JavaFX lang as a replacement for the Java
> language - has a lot of great features, clean syntax. But seems like
> that didn't even cross anyone's minds...
Ditto, that would make it an entirely different ballgame altogether...
and we could let Java die gracefully ra
Kind of like GWT being pronounced "gwit". Gee-Duh-bull-yew-Tee. One
syllable instead of 5.
On May 4, 2:26 pm, carl wrote:
> See-Quel is 2 syllables, while Es-Que-El is 3 syllables. And See-Quel
> is smoother, easier and faster to say in general. It's all about
> efficiency. :)
>
> On May 4, 6:18
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On 5/4/10 17:43 , Manfred Moser wrote:
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>> Everything with Maven. It made me reuse some existing code from
>> other projects with no problems. Manfred is doing an excellent
>> job.
>
> Just to clarify. I just did a little bit. Hugo Josefson did a lot
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Casper Bang wrote:
>
> Triggered by the (very interesting) NoSQL episode. Why do Americans in
> particular continue to pronounce SQL as "SEQUEL"?
>
> SEQUEL (Structured English QUEry Language) was the predecessor to SQL
> developed by IBM back in the day. Wikipedia
See-Quel is 2 syllables, while Es-Que-El is 3 syllables. And See-Quel
is smoother, easier and faster to say in general. It's all about
efficiency. :)
On May 4, 6:18 am, Joey Gibson wrote:
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Casper Bang wrote:
> > Triggered by the (very interesting) NoSQL episode.
All the momentum seems to be HTML5 for the web. Many think flash is
F'ed long term, so can't imagine JavaFX has a realistic chance of
gaining a significant web presence. Oracle, like Sun isn't known for
showing any UI proficiency and they are up against HTML 5,
Silverlight, and Flash. Good luck!
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:11, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
> On May 4, 10:27 am, Casper Bang wrote:
>> I honestly don't
>> think anyone outside the core Java community have JavaFX even on the
>> long-range radar.
> So true.
There are so many who know such a small amount of existing stuff -
just the b
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> On 5/4/10 00:20 , Casper Bang wrote:
>> This model separation business got me curious. Are you using
>> legacy Ant and the Android plugin for NetBeans, or using Manfred's
>> Maven plugin? I ask because I have not yet had time to Mavenize my
>> h
Personally I don't think this is the case in Belgium either. Employers
prefer to meet face to face and occasionally let you do a quick practical
test.
I've heard it's usual in The Netherlands though. But whether this really is
the case ?
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 16:30, Eddie wrote:
> In US, nobod
In US, nobody looks at that.
On May 4, 8:50 am, Christian Bernini wrote:
> At least here in Brazil, being certified helps out when it comes to HR. It's
> still a bad habit that HR firms/staff filter most of the CVs mostly by the
> certifications on it, and then look at the field experience.
>
> O
At least here in Brazil, being certified helps out when it comes to HR. It's
still a bad habit that HR firms/staff filter most of the CVs mostly by the
certifications on it, and then look at the field experience.
Or, in the worst case, they still count as a plus.
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On May 4, 1:26 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> Flash isn't on there. Neither is actionscript. What is on there is
> 'Rich Internet Applications' as well as 'JVM'.
Flash and Java FX both got a methion on the previous 'radar' (along
with Silverlight) as to why they're no longer on the A (B or C) l
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Casper Bang wrote:
> Triggered by the (very interesting) NoSQL episode. Why do Americans in
> particular continue to pronounce SQL as "SEQUEL"?
>
> SEQUEL (Structured English QUEry Language) was the predecessor to SQL
> developed by IBM back in the day. Wikipedia
You're so busy on your FUD screaming rampage, that you don't actually
relate to the issues at hand. Forget about building OpenJDK for a
moment please.
1) Would you agree that given actions and words, Apple also considers
Java an inferior and irrelevant platform?
2) While Steve's cross-air might b
Which is like saying "Given that anyone can jailbreak their iPhone and
install Cydia, why are App Store constraints so newsworthy?"
Trying to target a non-sanctioned installation of OpenJDK for releasing
software to customers is going to be a real struggle. So much so that it's
usually not worth
Flash isn't on there. Neither is actionscript. What is on there is
'Rich Internet Applications' as well as 'JVM'.
So, win for java, lose for flash. It's also just one site's opinion.
NB: Disclaimer: RIA is a silly term, and while taking the term on face
value means anything but flash, JavaFX, an
Given that OpenJDK7 already builds on Mac OS X today, I'm guessing
we'll have to wait about a minute after OpenJDK 7 final is released,
depending on how fast your computer can build the OpenJDK. Duh.
Stop fudding.
On May 4, 10:42 am, Kevin Wright
wrote:
> 1. The recent letter to Adobe shows that
Diamond operator AND multicatch? I need to buy that guy a beer.
On May 4, 6:53 am, Joseph Darcy wrote:
> As noted in the coin-dev email (and on my blog), Maurizio, another
> member of the javac team, deserves credit for the multi-catch
> implementation and catching the spec bug.
>
> On Mon, May 3
I always name it squeel.
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On May 4, 1:32 pm, Henrique de Miranda Gontijo
wrote:
> In Brazil it's pronunciated word by word.
> S-Q-L
>
> On 5/4/10, Christian Catchpole wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> > I'm not sure its a country thing. I've heard both equally here in
> > Australia.
>
> > Although "Squirre
In Brazil it's pronunciated word by word.
S-Q-L
On 5/4/10, Christian Catchpole wrote:
> I'm not sure its a country thing. I've heard both equally here in
> Australia.
>
> Although "Squirrel" might be going a little far.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOE8ukQoz6E
>
> On May 4, 8:00 pm, Fabri
I'm not sure its a country thing. I've heard both equally here in
Australia.
Although "Squirrel" might be going a little far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOE8ukQoz6E
On May 4, 8:00 pm, Fabrizio Giudici
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On May 4, 10:27 am, Casper Bang wrote:
> I honestly don't
> think anyone outside the core Java community have JavaFX even on the
> long-range radar.
So true.
http://www.thoughtworks.com/sites/www.thoughtworks.com/files/files/tw-radar-april-2010.pdf
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To be honest I think JavaFX is pooch-screwed and I know almost nothing
about it :) Universe please prove me wrong. Maybe an Apple style NDA
would help :)
On May 4, 7:27 pm, Casper Bang wrote:
> Yeah but that logic goes both ways: Java - mistakes = Flash. And it's
> Sun's second attempt at this,
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On 5/4/10 11:15 , Casper Bang wrote:
> Triggered by the (very interesting) NoSQL episode. Why do
> Americans in particular continue to pronounce SQL as "SEQUEL"?
BTW, it's commonly pronounced like that in my country too.
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Surely Java - mistakes + goodness = Scala?
Flash is a totally different thing.
On 4 May 2010 10:27, Casper Bang wrote:
> Yeah but that logic goes both ways: Java - mistakes = Flash. And it's
> Sun's second attempt at this, with the key difference that now they
> are up against Google, Adobe, A
Yeah but that logic goes both ways: Java - mistakes = Flash. And it's
Sun's second attempt at this, with the key difference that now they
are up against Google, Adobe, Apple and Microsoft. I honestly don't
think anyone outside the core Java community have JavaFX even on the
long-range radar.
On 4
Triggered by the (very interesting) NoSQL episode. Why do Americans in
particular continue to pronounce SQL as "SEQUEL"?
SEQUEL (Structured English QUEry Language) was the predecessor to SQL
developed by IBM back in the day. Wikipedia also lists it as
pronounced "ess-cue-el". It's even in the ANS
As an example: MySpace + Classmates - = Facebook
On May 4, 6:47 pm, Wildam Martin wrote:
> Sometimes it is not the worst thing not being the first.
> Or in other words: So many tell how better .NET/C# got because learned
> from Java experiences - I don't agree with that that .NET/C# is
> "bette
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 09:16, Casper Bang wrote:
> Many people thought JavaFX to be too little too late, the syntax is
> nice but frankly I think Sun should've gone all-in with this one or
> not do it at all.
Sometimes it is not the worst thing not being the first.
Or in other words: So many tell
1. The recent letter to Adobe shows that Apple clearly believe Cocoa to the
the "One True Way". Anything else is going through a "private library" or
"intermediate framework", and we KNOW what happens to those.
2. Java access to Cocoa has been deprecated. This is not just lack of a
timely releas
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On 5/4/10 00:20 , Casper Bang wrote:
> This model separation business got me curious. Are you using
> legacy Ant and the Android plugin for NetBeans, or using Manfred's
> Maven plugin? I ask because I have not yet had time to Mavenize my
> hobby stuff
What's the purpose of certification?
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Eddie wrote:
> In the past, I have used the certifications to force myself to study
> the specs and the edge cases. The certifications are pretty much on
> par with putting "I am a quick learner" on your resume, who would pay
Many people thought JavaFX to be too little too late, the syntax is
nice but frankly I think Sun should've gone all-in with this one or
not do it at all.
The container model is outdated and proved to not really work very
well. Clearly Steve Jobs stab at Flash actually includes Java (reading
betwee
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