Re: [The Java Posse] Apple has just deprecated Java on the Mac!!!

2010-10-20 Thread Josh McDonald
I'd say neither. It just means you can't sell Java apps through the Mac store. Makes sense to me, they want quality control, and the only Java app I've ever seen that feels remotely like it belongs on OS X is Cyberduck. Two minutes with soapUI on a Mac would make anybody think twice about giving Ja

Re: [The Java Posse] Apple has just deprecated Java on the Mac!!!

2010-10-20 Thread Jan Goyvaerts™
Doesn't it simply mean Apple is no longer maintaining the JVM ? Or will they actively block Java from running on Mac OS ? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 08:05, robross wrote: > Just in time for the Mac app store announcement? Timing is really > suspicious, and the App store does not support deprecated

[The Java Posse] Apple has just deprecated Java on the Mac!!!

2010-10-20 Thread robross
Just in time for the Mac app store announcement? Timing is really suspicious, and the App store does not support deprecated technologies, like Java! Mac App Store Review Guidelines "Apps must contain all language support in a single app bundle (single binary multiple language). Apps that spawn pr

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Catchpole
Tulip computers for example :) You can still "buy a C64" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this g

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Josh McDonald
Nope, they're owned by whoever bought that part of the company. On 21 October 2010 15:34, Miroslav Pokorny wrote: > Does anyone know the copyrightability of the C64 Basic & Kernal ROMs... are > they "free" in the public domain given that Commodore went bankrupt ? > > -- > You received this messa

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
Does anyone know the copyrightability of the C64 Basic & Kernal ROMs... are they "free" in the public domain given that Commodore went bankrupt ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@go

[The Java Posse] Re: Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Catchpole
yooze wallets -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this

[The Java Posse] Re: Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Catchpole
sesame -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group a

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Catchpole
Of course the equivalent hackery these days is running Linux on a Smoke Detector. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to j

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
I remember how that shortcut got me stuck when i thought i could use "?" for PRINT and then "#..." as s shortcut for "PRINT#1". argh... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups

Re: [The Java Posse] JVM Memory Allocation and what do the Xms and Xmx settings really do?

2010-10-20 Thread Stuart McCulloch
On 19 October 2010 22:46, Mike Hopper wrote: > I've been doing Java development for many years but sometimes > something surprises me. A coworker was explaining to me that many JVMs > allocate all of the memory specified by the -Xmx parameter at > application startup time. He said that this was a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Kevin Wright
Wave can do this! Oh... wait... On 20 October 2010 22:15, Josh Berry wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Rued wrote: > >> >> I don't think Gmail, or even Google groups, support this for some >> reason... >> > > You are correct. :( This is sad, as I really don't want to

Re: [The Java Posse] Web Service

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Juneau
You should use JavaScript to work with the results from the java web service. Then you can populate the DOM generated by UTL_HTTP with the web service content via JavaScript. This works both ways, you can also create a web service with PL/SQL and pass values from a java web application to it.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Berry
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Rued wrote: > > I don't think Gmail, or even Google groups, support this for some reason... > You are correct. :( This is sad, as I really don't want to switch out of gmail just for the groups stuff. Ah well, I guess I can be one of the ones that st

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Christopher Rued
On 10/20/2010 4:54 PM, Josh Berry wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Josh Berry wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Christopher Rued wrote: >>> Thunderbird shows these messages as threaded (very nice). >> I believe he meant with branches. > Or does that mean I should jump over

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Berry
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Josh Berry wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Christopher Rued wrote: >>  Thunderbird shows these messages as threaded (very nice). > > I believe he meant with branches. Or does that mean I should jump over to thunderbird instead of gmail? :( -- Yo

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Berry
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Christopher Rued wrote: >  Thunderbird shows these messages as threaded (very nice). I believe he meant with branches. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to java

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
I know what Steve Jobs would say: "Not Android". -- Cédric On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Rakesh wrote: > "open" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Josh Berry
No no, he would say fragmented. :) 2010/10/20 Cédric Beust ♔ : > I know what Steve Jobs would say: "Not Android". > -- > Cédric > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Rakesh > wrote: >> >> "open" >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Po

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Phil
F9 Or of you prefer C3 00 00 On Oct 20, 9:20 am, opinali wrote: > Ok, here's mine - for a real micro :) > > http://www.worldofspectrum.org/stk/http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0012128 > > Can't remember significant POKE'ing trivia, but can still write Z80 > Assembly to save my l

Re: [The Java Posse] JVM Memory Allocation and what do the Xms and Xmx settings really do?

2010-10-20 Thread ags
Couldn't start meaning an out of memory exception or what? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@go

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Christopher Rued
Thunderbird shows these messages as threaded (very nice). On 10/20/2010 4:25 PM, Casper Bang wrote: > Staying on topic can be hard. I suspect Google deemed threads too > complicated, but I actually miss the old days of usenet where a > discussion could fork and you could let it be if it was of no

[The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Casper Bang
Staying on topic can be hard. I suspect Google deemed threads too complicated, but I actually miss the old days of usenet where a discussion could fork and you could let it be if it was of no interest to you. Some forums have moderators to detach OT stuff, but since this group is largely unmoderate

[The Java Posse] Web Service

2010-10-20 Thread bobfof
All, I am trying to comsume a web service using Oracle PL/SQL with UTL_HTTP can anyone tell me how it can be done, thank you and have a great day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@

[The Java Posse] JVM Memory Allocation and what do the Xms and Xmx settings really do?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Hopper
I've been doing Java development for many years but sometimes something surprises me. A coworker was explaining to me that many JVMs allocate all of the memory specified by the -Xmx parameter at application startup time. He said that this was an optimization feature and that the JVM needs to ensure

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaPosse Ep:326 - Delayed Whips

2010-10-20 Thread hotshot309
I think he _was_ a little drunk. :) Agreed, that was one of the most entertaining episodes of the Java Posse of all time. On Oct 18, 11:09 am, CKoerner wrote: > I was laughing so hard with Dick's whole delayed whip incident, glad > that didn't get flub'd out.  :D > > Great episode guys! -- Yo

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On 10/20/10 18:42 , CKoerner wrote: Ah I thought you meant subject as in how you titled a post. What you are describing is staying 'on topic' within a thread. How about when we see that a sub-topic is of interest that someone makes a quick call to create a new thread on said subject and move tha

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On 10/20/10 20:11 , Kevin Wright wrote: Windows? Open? No... that doesn't sound right at all I thought "doors". Is that close enough? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/peopl

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Kevin Wright
Windows? Open? No... that doesn't sound right at all On 20 October 2010 19:09, Rakesh wrote: > you're all wrong!!! You should have said "Windows". > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Kevin Wright > wrote: > > Funky > > > > On 20 October 2010 18:54, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: > >> > >> Groovy > >

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Rakesh
you're all wrong!!! You should have said "Windows". On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Kevin Wright wrote: > Funky > > On 20 October 2010 18:54, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >> >> Groovy >> >> On Oct 20, 2010 1:34 PM, "B Smith-Mannschott" >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:28, Rakesh >> > wrote

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Kevin Wright
Funky On 20 October 2010 18:54, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: > Groovy > On Oct 20, 2010 1:34 PM, "B Smith-Mannschott" > wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:28, Rakesh > wrote: > >> "open" > > > > pants > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Jonathan Fuerth
Groovy On Oct 20, 2010 1:34 PM, "B Smith-Mannschott" wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:28, Rakesh wrote: >> "open" > > pants > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.c

Re: [The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread B Smith-Mannschott
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:28, Rakesh wrote: > "open" pants -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...

[The Java Posse] Lets play...Word Association

2010-10-20 Thread Rakesh
"open" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group a

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread CKoerner
Bah Dilbert, User-Friendly is where its at these days! Why I remember when Far Side was the best comic and you could get it for .25 cents! (Ha! I remember when Dagwood was .10 cents!). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to

[The Java Posse] Re: Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread CKoerner
Ah I thought you meant subject as in how you titled a post. What you are describing is staying 'on topic' within a thread. How about when we see that a sub-topic is of interest that someone makes a quick call to create a new thread on said subject and move that talk to it. -- You received this m

Re: [The Java Posse] Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Ricky Clarkson
I'd like to talk to you about the cat I had when I was young. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: >  Guys, > > I really love this mailing list. For everything, ranging from highly-geekly > discussions to humour and digressions about how to pronounce "ye" in Old > English, thr

[The Java Posse] Plea for more discipline in using subjects

2010-10-20 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Guys, I really love this mailing list. For everything, ranging from highly-geekly discussions to humour and digressions about how to pronounce "ye" in Old English, through dissertations of the patents world or Scala. Really. I'm not using any blacklist for topics or senders; my only problem

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: John Muir is out of the office.

2010-10-20 Thread Greg Reddin
I think he's been out of the office for a little over a hundred years. Actually, I think he pretty much stayed out of the office :-) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Carl Jokl wrote: > He is going to be back in a couple of daysLook Busy! > > Orshau beshäftig aus! > > -- > You received thi

[The Java Posse] Re: John Muir is out of the office.

2010-10-20 Thread Carl Jokl
He is going to be back in a couple of daysLook Busy! Orshau beshäftig aus! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Carl Jokl
I must stop with all this nostalgia and get on with my Grails project*sigh* I am thinking of the Dilbert comic where Dilbert is explaining to Catbert that he cannot work because the Internet is too fascinating. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread CKoerner
Bah, you didn't miss out on the C64, TRS-* was where it was at! From the Model 100 to the Color Computer to the sexy Model III with 8" floppy drives, oh yea! Course I drooled over the Atari-800 at the local TG&Y. Never could afford to buy a Heathkit one to build (at that age it was a challenge t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Quick NetBeans Question

2010-10-20 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On 10/18/10 12:43 , Vince O'Sullivan wrote: mmm. I've just renamed the 6.9 installation and installed 6.9.1 and the problem remains. I'll do a proper uninstall and clean up and try again tomorrow. I've got too much work on to try it again today. I've returned back from a five-days trip witho

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Josh McDonald
Now, if you'd given us a simple copper impl, without all the silly INC/DEC/XOR optimisations, that'd be more impressive... On 20 October 2010 23:09, Josh McDonald wrote: > You changed the RGB of color #0 on a VGA? It's late and I'm on my second > bottle of wine, so... > > > On 20 October 2010 00

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Josh McDonald
You changed the RGB of color #0 on a VGA? It's late and I'm on my second bottle of wine, so... On 20 October 2010 00:11, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > Possibly more obscure: > > MOV DX, 0x3C8 > XOR AL, AL > OUT DX, AL > INC DX > DEC AL > OUT DX, AL > INC AL > OUT DX, AL > OUT DX, AL > > I double

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
3C8/3C9 are the indexed color mapping ports of the graphics card. The snippet would set all pixels with index '0' to bright red. On Oct 20, 12:52 am, Christian Catchpole wrote: > from memory 3C8 is the IO port for character ram??  You needs > something with a loop :) > > Hows about my old favouri

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Catchpole
The of the best features of the C64 was a "real" 3 channel analog syth with filters. Other computers at the time were often just doing square wave generation. I had been working on a MIDI -> SID synth controller using an AVR.. But the project has lost steam. I'v discovered I have more patience fo

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Carl Jokl
I wonder if I missed out. It seems like the Commodore 64 was the computer to have. We had an Amstrad CPC 464. I think it was probably a bit out of date by the time we got it. It was certainly second hand. My brother had a ZX81 but I am pretty sure it was dead by the time I tried to use it so I neve

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Catchpole
The C64 had a similar thing where you could, for GOTO, type G and shift O, where shift O would be a symbol character. On listing it would be expanded. Now normally you can only enter one "line" of code to a maximum of 80 chars (2 screen lines). Using the shifty code things meant you could compact

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread Ricky Clarkson
> It's amazing how well your memory > works when you don't have an IDE with auto-completion Which reminds me of how difficult I found it to go from the Spectrum 48K to the Commodore 64. On the Spectrum, typing 10 P "Hello, world" 20 G 10 R would result in running the program: 10 PRINT "Hello,

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-20 Thread opinali
Ok, here's mine - for a real micro :) http://www.worldofspectrum.org/stk/ http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0012128 Can't remember significant POKE'ing trivia, but can still write Z80 Assembly to save my life, after almost 20 years... will probably not remember only rarely-used ins