Yes, you're right, I should have mentioned market push. It's rather likely
(to me, anyway) that java gained quite a bit of traction due to Sun's
cheerleading of it, along with the uptake by i.e. IBM relatively early on.
Google adopts or makes a new programming language to replace java for
Yes, you're right, I should have mentioned market push. It's rather likely
(to me, anyway) that java gained quite a bit of traction due to Sun's
cheerleading of it, along with the uptake by i.e. IBM relatively early on.
Google adopts or makes a new programming language to replace java for
On Mar 22, 6:08 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote:
That's a horrifyingly condescending quote making fun of people who actually
ship software.
Worse still it is making the assumption that the people who have to
implement the design are able to influence it. There are people out
there
Regarding the post as discussing only low-level design I don't
completely disagree. At a low level (decomposition of components into
classes, getting assignment of responsibilities and encapsulation
correct, and so on) it doesn't matter how good the higher level design
is. To produce bad code is
I'm left-biased ambidextrous (except for writing) and the only problem
I have driving on the right is remembering to go to the right car door
first thing in the morning ;-)
On Mar 22, 10:01 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote:
2011/3/22 Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com
Let me
On Mar 22, 10:06 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 Mar 2011 21:37, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me rephrase part of that exchange for a subject probably none of us is
emotional about:
Repeated case studies have shown time and time again that
Well I can browse the store but it is currently only available to US
customers. Including, I assume, the try before you buy element which I
couldn't find.
On Mar 22, 9:31 am, Phil p...@surfsoftconsulting.com wrote:
I've just been pointed to a techcrunch post
Italy? I'm nowhere near there but let's just say that yesterday I saw a
diversion around roadworks.. onto the pavement.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Phil p...@surfsoftconsulting.com wrote:
On Mar 22, 10:06 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 Mar 2011 21:37, Ricky
ya... It's US only now.
I tried to download free Angry Birds app but I cannot ;)
On 3月23日, 下午8時36分, Phil p...@surfsoftconsulting.com wrote:
Well I can browse the store but it is currently only available to US
customers. Including, I assume, the try before you buy element which I
couldn't find.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, you're right, I should have mentioned market push. It's rather likely
(to me, anyway) that java gained quite a bit of traction due to Sun's
cheerleading of it, along with the uptake by i.e. IBM relatively early
I drove a hire car there for two weeks. Italians have two speeds - one
of them is 'stationary'. As a foreigner you either crawl along the
side of the road or drive at their speed. I had never seen ambulances
so frequently outside a town before or since. I was overtaken on
numerous occasions in the
On 23 March 2011 14:32, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com
wrote:
Yes, you're right, I should have mentioned market push. It's rather
likely
(to me, anyway) that java gained quite a bit of traction due to Sun's
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 19:02 -0700, mP wrote:
The simple explaination being that most professors in universities,
cant get a real job so most dont really know what they are talking
about.
If this is the attitude people are going to have and express it's no
wonder the world is a totally f$$$ed
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
I simply meant more that I feel like Android is pulling in more new
java developers than any other technology out there at the moment.
You have no idea how happy it makes me to read this.
In the early days of Android, I
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 20:22 -0700, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
[ . . . ]
It looks like whoever made that decision has a pretty big chip on
their shoulder and it's pretty clear from that sentence alone that
students going to his/her class will get a pretty incomplete and
biased picture.
[ . . . ]
Maybe the UK University system will be bought out by Tesco.
All hail Tesco.
I remember the 80's and by golly they were awesome and we are not
talking the regular kind of awesome rather the double fireball attack,
laser dynamite rocket underpants ninja nuclear plasma war rabbit kind
of awesome.
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 10:18 -0700, Carl Jokl wrote:
Maybe the UK University system will be bought out by Tesco.
All hail Tesco.
Like Macdonald's bought the USA school system?
I remember the 80's and by golly they were awesome and we are not
talking the regular kind of awesome rather the
This seems like such a strange thing. We're talking about computer science and
engineering, not exactly liberal arts stuff. I understand that many of us feel
passionate about technology, mathematical elegance and all of that, but the
moment I start to take sides in a paradigm war on the basis
What makes you think science is not full of personal allegiance, politics,
and paradigm wars? A friend of mine is a professor in a scientific field,
and he's constantly dealing with these kinds of issues derailing new
findings and new interpretations.
Chris
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:09 PM,
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 11:09 -0700, Alexey Zinger wrote:
This seems like such a strange thing. We're talking about computer
science and engineering, not exactly liberal arts stuff. I understand
that many of us feel passionate about technology, mathematical
elegance and all of that, but the
No doubt, it goes on. I just don't understand it.
Alexey
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Computer
On 23 March 2011 17:05, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 20:22 -0700, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
[ . . . ]
It looks like whoever made that decision has a pretty big chip on
their shoulder and it's pretty clear from that sentence alone that
students going to
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk wrote:
Unlike Java which
chose to ignore iterators à la C++ -- another paradigm war but this one
was fought in the late 1990s.
First of all, before the enhanced for loop came out, Java was using
iterators pretty much
2011/3/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
Or are you referring to something else?
I think he is referring to the fact that iterators were not an
original part of the collections framework.
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That doesn't seem right. java.util.Iterator and the rest of the collections
stuff (java.util.Collection) both date back to Java 1.2. Before that, there
was
java.util.Enumeration. Is that what you mean?
Alexey
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Yeah, and I was just guessing at what the other poster meant. :)
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On 23 Mar 2011 20:53, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk
wrote:
Unlike Java which
chose to ignore iterators à la C++ -- another paradigm war but this one
was fought in the late 1990s.
First of all, before the
I never thought I'd see anything useful on an OSGi blog, but today I saw
this:
http://www.osgi.org/blog/2011/03/exception-hygiene.html
So if you accept that CheckedExceptions are a bad idea... read the comments
on this post. There is a debate as to how to handle the atrocity that the
On 23 Mar 2011 21:43, phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.com wrote:
I never thought I'd see anything useful on an OSGi blog, but today I saw
this:
http://www.osgi.org/blog/2011/03/exception-hygiene.html
So if you accept that CheckedExceptions are a bad idea... read the
comments on this post.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:43 PM, phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.comwrote:
I never thought I'd see anything useful on an OSGi blog, but today I saw
this:
http://www.osgi.org/blog/2011/03/exception-hygiene.html
So if you accept that CheckedExceptions are a bad idea... read the comments
on
Opps, somehow dropped the javaposse group post on this.
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Date: 2011/3/23
Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] How to deal with CheckedExceptions
To: Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
Thanks for the Lazy comment. You can
2011/3/23 phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.com
Thanks for the Lazy comment. You can handle Exceptions even if they are
RuntimeExceptions
Of course, but since the compiler no longer enforces it, they are easy to
miss and to ignore. I much prefer the compiler getting into my face to
remind me
The argument boils down to to costs vs benefits.
All the checked exception haters think the costs greatly out-weigh the
benefits.
Costs:
1) PITA
2) Your interfaces break every time you introduce a new exception.
3) They don't scale (rippling effect can easily get out of hand)
That and lead to a
If you want to catch checked and rethrow wrapped up but hate the long and
messy stacktraces you can simply solve this by copyin the stack elements
from the checked to the wrapped.
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Thread.currentThread().stop(cause); lets you throw checked exceptions
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Looks like Oracle has started planning for JDK 8 and they are accepting
proposals for language features (big and small).
http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2011-March/001704.html
It's time to start thinking about planning JDK 8.
We already know what some of the big-ticket items are
It's quite simple... If there's something that can happen in your method,
and the caller *explicitly* needs to deal with it, then there's a technique
for dealing with that... It's commonly known as a return value. Yes, some
form of Maybe or Either type combined with lambdas makes this sort of
2011/3/23 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com:
The important part is understanding that you need both runtime and checked
exceptions. The hard part is knowing when to choose checked, and the
authors of the JDK made some terrible mistakes in that area which have given
the entire concept a very bad
Dont forget that left v right only exists in cars, for planes and ships
everything drives on the left side of the road etc. Perception is
everything.
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