>
> The thing is that ever since JavaFX came out, the only people I have heard
> trying to promote it were either Sun employees or book authors, and this is
> still the case today.
>
> This is never a good sign for a technology struggling to gain acceptance.
the problem isn't who is promoting
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Steven Herod wrote:
> I don't understand why some people like brussels sprouts, each to
> their own.
>
We're discussing tools to do a job, not personal preferences. There is a
certain amount of subjectivity in picking a tool among a short list, but
there is also a
Any effort is effort. Any change is risk and any crappy software,
once it reaches a steady state, can live forever.
I can assure you, in the corporate world I've worked in, between a
hostile operations team (who don't want change) and an indifferent
business owner (who dislikes the app or has no
> Myself, I just can't understand why there's still even a tiny amount of
> people who are interested in JavaFX after Sun proved for fifteen years that
> they just weren't very good at this UI framework stuff.
I don't understand why some people like brussels sprouts, each to
their own.
--
You r
On May 31, 2011, at 5:44 AM, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
> You may be overstating the effort/cash required, and understating the
> benefits.
There certainly are benefits to moving on that go beyond just developer value..
however if the move imposes a cost and there is no perceived business value
As Steven Herod linked to, here's Richard Bairs (Java Client
Architect) response (see the last comment):
Cay, I have to agree! Which is why we have not developed a windows
version in isolation of everything else — or even first!. I develop
only on a Mac, and have done so for the past 3 years. As m
> You have a working application which is stable, you are expending
> minimal effort maintaining, and suddenly someone is proposing you
> spend effort/cash to give developers a warm fuzzy feeling and the end
> user no actual visible benefit.
Here's what I never understood; so why not just leave th
You may be overstating the effort/cash required, and understating the benefits.
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Steven Herod wrote:
> The opposition to moving beyond 1.4.x would be mainly the cost.
>
> You have a working application which is stable, you are expending
> minimal effort maintainin
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Steven Herod wrote:
> This may also help out on the cross platform question:
> http://fxexperience.com/2011/05/is-javafx-2-0-cross-platform/
Yes, in the sense that the answer is "Not at the moment and we can't tell
you when".
Obviously, we can't know if Oracle i
The opposition to moving beyond 1.4.x would be mainly the cost.
You have a working application which is stable, you are expending
minimal effort maintaining, and suddenly someone is proposing you
spend effort/cash to give developers a warm fuzzy feeling and the end
user no actual visible benefit.
This may also help out on the cross platform question:
http://fxexperience.com/2011/05/is-javafx-2-0-cross-platform/
On May 31, 1:16 pm, Steven Herod wrote:
> An EA for OSX does exist, I haven't checked to see if an EA for Linux
> exists yet.
>
> There have been various comments in the past that
An EA for OSX does exist, I haven't checked to see if an EA for Linux
exists yet.
There have been various comments in the past that the controls side of
things will be open sourced, but have no idea if/when that will ever
happen.
Of course, if it were Google doing this I'm
sure we could come up w
The semantics are pretty clear, as you get compile errors when you get
things wrong.
Java developers *were* used to unsafe casts. I'm regularly in ##java
on freenode IRC and see fewer and fewer people trying to use untyped
collections. It still happens, though mainly by accident.
I've seen some
You can follow along as the Mac OS X port progresses on the wiki:
http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenJDK/Mac+OS+X+Port
in the bug tracker: http://java.net/jira/browse/MACOSX_PORT
and on the mailing list:
http://mail.openjdk.java.net/mailman/listinfo/macosx-port-dev
Code is in the http://hg.openjdk.
Please use bugs.sun.com to file bugs against the Oracle JDK. See
http://bugreport.sun.com/bugreport/ for more information.
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On May 28, 12:55 pm, McDowell wrote:
> I looking round java.net project pages, I see notes about migrating t
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