http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/more-dads-influence-daughters-career-path/
I thought this article might be of interest, given this original subject of
this message. According to this, fathers *are* having an increasing
influence on their children's career paths. Time to start up some
Thanks, Josh. That's an interesting article!
I really do need to fire up my old laptop and configure it for my 5 year
old, who really wants a computer of her very own!
Dianne
Josh Suereth wrote:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/more-dads-influence-daughters-career-path/
I thought
Hello!
Just wanted to add in that I'm a female listener, even though I won't
be attending the Roundup :o) I would love it if I could attend since
I learn so much from that sort of environment, but unfortunately I
can't. Maybe next year!
I do agree that more needs to be done to inspire young
A hearty welcome to Jessie and Tina.
And Jessie ... I hope that other people aren't worried about having
something to contribute at the Roundup. It's always surprising but it
always turns out that people have something to offer when they don't
even realize it. I have a few people working for
Hi all,
There have been a lot of great posts on this topic. Thank you for
that! I hope that the dialog continues.
I agree that children should not be pushed toward software
development. They need to find their passions. But I do think that
the "fun" in our jobs isn't necessarily obvious.
[could be: Passion in IT ;-)]
Whenever someone I talk to gives the impression they think IT is boring
I try to give them an idea of the impact you can have doing it -- mostly
because that's what drives me. I'm no rockstar programmer, but there are
two little stories I like to tell, and I
In the UK and the US, where programming seems to be on the decline as more
and more jobs are outsourced to lower cost countries, there are few women in
the field. I've been lucky to work for, and with, some very smart women but
overall I'd guess that only about 10% of my colleagues across the
I'd be very happy for my daughter to pick up some scientific or IT-type
work, but so far I haven't been too successful. Maybe it is because
she's not even 3 yet :-) But she got her first computer around her
second birthday -- not a Barbie one but an old Pentium II with KDE on
it, icons scaled up
Of your hypotheses, I'm going to go with the idea of a 70:1 ratio in
Java development. I've worked with a few female Java developers over
the years, but if I had to guess the ratio... yeah, it actually would
be in the 50:1 to 100:1 range. Same thing for java.net authors and
readily-identifiable
1. Why should current programmers care that programming is a job that has a
much higher percentage of men than women? What are we missing out on? I'd
like an answer other than 'Women think differently, they'd bring a different
perspective', because I'm pretty sure that relational algebra
On 19 Feb 2009, at 11:09, Peter Becker wrote:
I'd be very happy for my daughter to pick up some scientific or IT-
type
work, but so far I haven't been too successful. Maybe it is because
she's not even 3 yet :-) But she got her first computer around her
second birthday -- not a Barbie one
numFemaleListeners++;
I've been listening for about a year and a half or so I think...
To answer your question Dianne, I didn't look into going this year in
part for scheduling issues.
The other reason, however lame this may be, is that I only graduated
and started working as an
engineer a year
Just for statistic purposes: there are 12 Java developers at my current
company, none of which are female.
(And that's a shame!).
BoD
Dianne Marsh wrote:
Dear Women Java Posse Listeners,
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are
We probably have 20 Java devs, about 6 of them are female. Mainframe
team is probably a similar proportion. As is our MIS team.
Teams I've recruited have often ended up 50/50. But I notice one
project team I had no involvement in recruiting is 100% male. Go
figure.
I think it benefits the
11 males to 1 female in my department. Last conference/workshop I went
to (Oracle Developer day) suggested this to be quite average, it's not
like this forum is overrun by women either. I wonder what kind of
distribution you Dianne is used to seeing?!
/Casper
On 18 Feb., 11:28, BoD
I think there are two females out of about 100 developers in my
company. This is not by choice. We just don't get many females that
apply for positions.
I'm involved in two local user groups. One focuses on Java and has an
attendance around 45. The other focuses on functional and dynamic
we have about 30 developers of which one is female at my current company.
I think in the UK it is known that women do not seem attracted to
careers in IT. Not sure why.
Incidentally, the teams I have worked on with higher ratios of women
have been Indian offshore/onshore teams.
R
On Wed, Feb
My company (PCMS) seems to be more diverse than average. We have a number of
women working in IT though I would say it is still probably only 15%. Most
of the women at my company are in Human Resources, Marketing, Accounting,
and a number of office management jobs. All of these positions have
My business is equally owned by myself and Bill Wagner. We employ 16
people, of whom 4 are women, and 3 are developers (including myself in
that count). The other woman is our office manager.
So I suspect that relatively speaking, we're looking pretty diverse.
As for the question Casper
So now that I have at least SOME people's attention on the gender thing,
I'm wondering if I can engage those of you who are dads ... or uncles
... or influential adults. One of my employees said that she was
strongly influenced into computer science by her parents. There's no
reason to
On 17 Feb 2009, at 06:35, Frederic Simon wrote:
3) Looking at her, and from my experience, good Java female
developer have a tendency to lack social skills: http://tinyurl.com/8yg8wv
Joke aside,
Whilst I appreciate it's a joke, I don't think it travels terribly
well in email. This is a
Fred, Fred, Fred. Don't you know, by now, not to generalize? [trying
really hard to resist making a joke about MALE Java developer social
skills ... oops, that's uncontrollable]
I'll see you guys there. I hope that at least one other woman joins
the Roundup in spite of Fred's comments. We
:D
Well, sorry about the way it sounds on the mail, but if you follow the link
you'll get to a blog entry that try to explain my own lack of social skill
:)
Following Dianne's comment (and strong support for country skying), I think
I'll skip the downhill this :)
Already enjoying my week !
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