Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework - with security as a focus

Hi Alan, There's a lot of material about Lift and it's approach to security, As a short introduction, read this entry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2683914/why-would-i-use-scala-lift-over-java-spring/3067319#3067319 Cheers, On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Alan Kent wrote: > On 16/07/20

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework - with security as a focus

Interesting comment as I never used Lift before. I think I will look at that now. About security - I would mean the chances of providing secure third-party implementations. I have found much better than the older ones that we used in our projects here. In any case, there is always something better

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework - with security as a focus

On 19/07/2010 12:42 PM, Mark Derricutt wrote: Do you have a link to that podcast? Sounds like an interesting listen... amrk OWASP (Open Web Application Security Project) podcasts can be subscribed to from their site http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Podcast. The podcast in particul

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework - with security as a focus

Do you have a link to that podcast? Sounds like an interesting listen... amrk -- Pull me down under... On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Alan Kent wrote: > PS: Just listened to an OWASP security podcast interview some ex-army(?) guy > (now in industry).  He asked "what is security".  He went o

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework - with security as a focus

On 16/07/2010 11:34 PM, Viktor Klang wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:21 PM, jitesh dundas > wrote: JSF is good for security purposes and t he reason that it is in demand (again :)..) is the back-end security with integration that makes life so easy.. Sor

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

caught up on the thread, but it seems GWT hasn't been >> >> mentioned.  Call me crazy, but I say it's the framework to rule them(*) >> >> all(**). >> >> >> * - Java frameworks >> >> * - at the time of this writing >> >> >>  Alexey &g

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

entioned.  Call me crazy, but I say it's the framework to rule them(*) > >> all(**). > > >> * - Java frameworks > >> * - at the time of this writing > > >>  Alexey > >> 2001 Honda CBR600F4i (CCS) > >> 2002 Suzuki Bandit 1200S > >>

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

t >> >> ____________ >> From: Steve Hicks >> To: The Java Posse >> Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 3:49:13 AM >> Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework. >> >> If you want to use Java (rather than Groovy), do somethi

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

Kawasaki > EX500http://azinger.blogspot.comhttp://bsheet.sourceforge.nethttp://wcollage.sourceforge.net > > > From: Steve Hicks > To: The Java Posse > Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 3:49:13 AM > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web fram

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

saki EX500 http://azinger.blogspot.com http://bsheet.sourceforge.net http://wcollage.sourceforge.net From: Steve Hicks To: The Java Posse Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 3:49:13 AM Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework. If you want to use Java (rat

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Something in this direction( I mean JSF ).. http://www.javabeat.net/tips/148-advantages-and-disadvantages-jsf.html http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31577 To be honest, I found JSF's back-end archuitecture (for hiding logic) very useful and business friendly. I do not

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:21 PM, jitesh dundas wrote: > +1.. > > JSF is good for security purposes and t he reason that it is in demand > (again :)..) is the back-end security with integration that makes life so > easy.. > Sorry, but JSF has nothing when compared to Lift when it comes to securit

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

I think Spring Roo is at most good for building prototypes or play around with ideas... The code it generates is horrific, you're pushed into testing mainly through the UI and possibly debug through Roo generated code and bugs... sound like a nightmare to me... On 16 July 2010 09:49, Steve Hicks

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

+1.. JSF is good for security purposes and t he reason that it is in demand (again :)..) is the back-end security with integration that makes life so easy.. It is the ease of business logic and sense that matters, not the framework integration efforts down the drain.. Regards, JD On Fri, Jul 16

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

If you want to use Java (rather than Groovy), do something quick, can bear the thought of Spring MVC being under the covers then you might want to look at Spring roo - http://www.springsource.org/roo (there is also a Manning book in MEAP status on this topic). I have had a play with this and it se

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

On Jul 15, 10:36 am, Carl Jokl wrote: > I did get a book on JSF in the past but I expect it will be out of > date now as JSF 2.0 has come out. I know JSF is criticised for being > more complex than it is felt it needs to be. That said others > challenge that it is not as complex as it is made out

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

On Jul 15, 5:36 am, Carl Jokl wrote: > I hope this discussion does not devolve to the point that I wish I > hadn't asked but I need to look at choosing a web framework to use as > part of a University application being developed over the summer. Depending on how simple it is, you can build a REST

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Carl Jokl wrote: > Now Manning have another 40% off offer. I wonder sometimes how often > they don't have any offer on. > Never. You'd be a fool to buy a book full-price from them. Which makes me think that the initial prices are artificially high so they can of

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

Now Manning have another 40% off offer. I wonder sometimes how often they don't have any offer on. I have used it to buy Grails in action for good measure. I can pay for these books out of what I am being paid to do the work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

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This might be a little too close to the bleeding edge, (and it sounds like you've pitched in with Grails, which is a pretty good choice) but anyway... I've been working on an integration between Apache Wicket and Naked Objects the idea being you can build a webapp just from the domain objects,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

I used to have those kinds of urges before... once I spent £400 in 14 books at Amazon... On 15 July 2010 15:19, Carl Jokl wrote: > I just bought Groovy in Action Second Edition from the Manning Early > Access program. > > I hope you are happy! > > Curse Manning for always having a deal on! > Cur

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

I just bought Groovy in Action Second Edition from the Manning Early Access program. I hope you are happy! Curse Manning for always having a deal on! Curse PayPall for making the transaction so easy! If I still had to open my wallet and feel the notes being handed over, I could better resist the

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

Play actually comes with a very good Scala module. Right now, it's one of the main contenders for anyone looking to do web development in Scala. On 15 July 2010 13:26, Carl Jokl wrote: > I am currently looking at play which seems simple enough. > > Ordinarily I would not be opposed to learning G

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

I am apprehensive about Groovy given that I tend to see eye to eye with Dick Wall on so many subjects and doesn't he hate the Groovy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.c

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

I really think Grails would be a great choice for you. It IS a Java web framework, but you don't have to write in Java. You can use Groovy which, as you get acquainted with it, is much faster to develop with. But don't let a "new" language scare you since all valid Java code is also valid Groovy

[The Java Posse] Re: Choosing a Java web framework.

I am currently looking at play which seems simple enough. Ordinarily I would not be opposed to learning Groovy / Scala / JRuby in order to use their respective web frameworks but with a limited amount of time it seems just a bit too much of a risk to do that. Given I am doing this along with a sec