[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-07 Thread Michael Neale
So while the flash experience is better for installation, it actually appears to be heavier behind the scenes. So if the new installer aids with this, it could be on to something. On Sep 7, 11:29 am, RogerV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What motivated this posting is that I started with a fresh

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-07 Thread Joshua Marinacci
I don't know if there will be an API for this, but it should be technically possible. The most likely place for it would be an additional service available to Java Webstart apps, similar to the single launch service. Esp. now that both applets and webstart apps share the same infrastructu

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-07 Thread Casper Bang
> Yep.  The new plugin actually has a small headless instance of Java   > which does run inside the browser. This instance manages all of the   > other ones (since there are cases when there *should* be more than one   > worker instance).  It will shut down and start up the worker instances   > as

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-06 Thread RogerV
What motivated this posting is that I started with a fresh blank WinXP SP3 that I had installed Google Chrome on. When I added the Adobe Flash Player for the first time, it was ready to go in just a few seconds. When I installed the Java 6 JRE that Chrome required, it was a lengthy and involved

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-06 Thread sherod
As a purely unscientific asides loading this page, using a Javascript RIA based technology, adds 30MB to my Safari footprint http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/desktop/desktop.html And loading this flex based demo site adds a 110MB http://flex.org/showcase/ It's interesting, a f

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-06 Thread Joshua Marinacci
On Sep 6, 2008, at 1:46 PM, RogerV wrote: > > When I installed the Java 6 1.6.0_10-rcb28 that Google Chrome is > requiring, I didn't see anything new going on in the installation > process. It looked to behave much as prior Java JRE installs. > > When is the optimized web install process going t

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-06 Thread Michael Neale
2 things: 1) I doubt (from what little I have seen) that silverlight is much better, it may be "good enough" though, but its not as light at ajax or flash. 2) I think lightness of process could also be useful for server apps as well (as in many hosting environments people do actually want to run

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demo of Draggable Applet: https://jdk6.dev.java.net/plugin2/#EXPERIMENTAL_FUNCTIONALITY If I understand correctly, applets by default are not draggable. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Poss

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-06 Thread RogerV
When I installed the Java 6 1.6.0_10-rcb28 that Google Chrome is requiring, I didn't see anything new going on in the installation process. It looked to behave much as prior Java JRE installs. When is the optimized web install process going to show up? Or what does it take to get that to happen i

[The Java Posse] Re: Java Hotspot VM - an inferior web RIA runtime

2008-09-06 Thread Joshua Marinacci
Hi. This is Josh from the JavaFX team at Sun (posting from my gmail account). I'd like to correct a few things you got wrong here: > Now Safari, and most existing browsers that support Java, will > typically run Java applets on the same JVM instance. So the overhead > of the JVM gets shared amo