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On 9/10/10 09:45 , mP wrote:
Today patents are only important because the USA is the leading
economy in the world, and places without patent laws are either
small or unimportant. In a few years before the turn of the decade,
China will pass and
Exactly, have you noticed that the number of research publications has gone
up in high impact journals wrt. China. e.g. Nature ( The top of the tops..)
JD
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
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Today patents are only important because the USA is the leading
economy in the world, and places without patent laws are either small
or unimportant. In a few years before the turn of the decade, China
will pass and greatly surpass the USA economy, and funnily enough
China does not care about
++1...Completely agree...
Well, I am not a futurist but surely there is some conviction in
this(Even if I knew I would not share on this group.Too risky..)...
It is true that China is on its way to be the ring leader of the
world..but my interest here is that last two lines..
Concepts do change
++1...Completely agree...
Well, I am not a futurist but surely there is some conviction in
this(Even if I knew I would not share on this group.Too risky..)...
It is true that China is on its way to be the ring leader of the
world..but my interest here is that last two lines..
Concepts do change
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 15:37 -0700, phil.swen...@gmail.com wrote:
Where did this claim that Europe doesn't have software patents come
from? Earlier this year a German patent attorney instructed our
office on the ins and outs of American vs European patent law. Google
it, there are European
Just a thought that came to me listening to the most recent podcast, when
Joe was once again explaining that the reason patents are important is
because they encourage innovation.
Consider the following hypothetical:
- I've been sitting on a juicy software patent (e.g. for placing vertical
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM, B Smith-Mannschott bsmith.o...@gmail.comwrote:
Just a thought that came to me listening to the most recent podcast, when
Joe was once again explaining that the reason patents are important is
because they encourage innovation.
Glad to see I'm not alone in
Not exactly... what if you don't have patents, but copyright is still
enforced?
You still can't just release somebody else's work as your own.
2010/9/9 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM, B Smith-Mannschott
bsmith.o...@gmail.comwrote:
Just a thought that
You can ask for and be granted software patents in europe.
There is however no legal grounds for suing someone based on a breach
of them. This is a really silly situation and it is this oversight in
the law which is used as main argument by a few politicians in the
pocket of big industry to
If Joe was arguing that, the argument is flawed. You can't make the
rational jump that patent law works the way it is intended; you must
prove this.
For example, John Schmoe American might have a great idea, but he
doesn't have the $80,000 up-front to pay a patent firm to check if the
idea will
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
For example, John Schmoe American might have a great idea, but he
doesn't have the $80,000 up-front to pay a patent firm to check if the
idea will run afoul of any patents.
It costs $120 to file a provisional patent
2010/9/9 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot
reini...@gmail.comwrote:
For example, John Schmoe American might have a great idea, but he
doesn't have the $80,000 up-front to pay a patent firm to check if the
idea will run afoul of any
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On 9/5/10 20:38 , Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
Fabrizio, asking for reform might be a good idea, but reform to
_WHAT_? I haven't seen any proposal that makes a decent case that
implementing it would lead to a patent law system we can all be
Lots of people who are complaining about software patent law are not
screaming for their total abolishments. I might, but only because I've
long held the opinion that reform was in order, but every idea I've
read or come up with myself has been shot full of holes in short
order. I've concluded
Where did this claim that Europe doesn't have software patents come
from? Earlier this year a German patent attorney instructed our
office on the ins and outs of American vs European patent law. Google
it, there are European software patents.
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You received this message because you are
AFAIK There are software patents pretty much everywhere except for NZ, what
with the US adding PS: copy our IP laws to the fine print of unrelated
treaties left right and centre :(
-Josh
On 7 September 2010 08:37, phil.swen...@gmail.com phil.swen...@gmail.comwrote:
Where did this claim that
Meanwhile, industries like Fashion, where there is neither patent law
nor copyright, thrive with boundless innovation, and the companies
that come up with the new designs earn ridiculous amounts of money
with it*.
Glad to see you watch TED. ;-)
All your points are easily proven wrong.
Nokia's research budget is gigantic, far, FAR larger than apple's.
Recently they released a new OS of some sort (Meebo? Meego? It sucks,
nobody cares about it). Europe has no software patents. Clearly the
lack of software patents does not stifle research
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As you know, I'm mid way here. I think that the current patent system
is ridiculous, but patents are needed, as said Cedric. So, we need
just to bring them to a reasonable point: a) don't patent obvious
stuff and b) set a shorter time before they
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On 9/5/10 10:35 , Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
All your points are easily proven wrong.
Nokia's research budget is gigantic, far, FAR larger than apple's.
Recently they released a new OS of some sort (Meebo? Meego? It
sucks, nobody cares about
You have it backwards... The reason that fashion can't be patented is not
because it's useless stuff.
Quite the opposite in fact! iI was deemed that clothing is too essential
and utilitarian to risk the possibility of e.g. someone patenting the
concept of a jumper.
Patents largely exist to
That argument that fashion is a necessity and thus unpatentable sounds a bit
broken given a lot/most modern medicines are still patented and expensive.
IMHO I prefer to think that fashion (leaving out clothes with extra ordinary
functions like fire/waterproofing abilities) is not logical and there
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On 9/5/10 11:40 , Kevin Wright wrote:
You have it backwards... The reason that fashion can't be patented
is not because it's useless stuff.
I wasn't making any inference. I only said that fashion is useless
stuff, and thus very different from
When you look into it, the parallels between pharma and fashion are
disturbing:
The industry spends significantly more on marketing/lobbying than it does on
RD.
Almost medicine patents are for nearly insignificant changes to an existing
drug.
Unlike copyright protection, which seems to be
It's clothing as a whole that can't be patented, not fashion in
particular...
On 5 September 2010 13:49, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.itwrote:
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On 9/5/10 11:40 , Kevin Wright wrote:
You have it backwards... The reason that
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On 9/5/10 15:05 , Kevin Wright wrote:
It's clothing as a whole that can't be patented, not fashion in
particular...
Well, I know that. In fact in my post I was talking of fashion, and
not clothing.
PS Re: drugs in my country, while in the past
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
Europe has no software patents. Clearly the
lack of software patents does not stifle research budgets.
Please reread my post. The question is whether the absence of software
patents would allow for more or less
Guys, what are you hoping to accomplish with this discussion?
2010/9/5 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
Europe has no software patents. Clearly the
lack of software patents does not stifle research budgets.
Something went entirely wrong posting that. Shame I can't edit it :(
Stop reading after the ;) smiley, for what its worth.
On Sep 5, 10:35 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
All your points are easily proven wrong.
Nokia's research budget is gigantic, far, FAR larger than
Fabrizio, asking for reform might be a good idea, but reform to
_WHAT_? I haven't seen any proposal that makes a decent case that
implementing it would lead to a patent law system we can all be
reasonably happy with (i.e. happier than foregoing software patents
altogether).
You're dangerously
The pharma industry seems to prove that having a solid patent system
in place doesn't really help make it any better for society. The kinds
of drug research the world needs is simply not being done, instead
pharma is wasting time on finding chemicals that offer temporary
relief (i.e. you have to
Perhaps I didn't make clear why I thought your argument was bogus:
There's no proof at all that the US is more willing to splurge on
research than companies outside of it. If anything, there's proof the
other way around. Yes, apple is better at it than nokia, but nokia
spends more money, which is
I so love reading these debates! Go on gentlemen!
- Joe
On Sep 5, 8:36 am, Viktor Klang viktor.kl...@gmail.com wrote:
Guys, what are you hoping to accomplish with this discussion?
2010/9/5 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot
Agitator ;-)
Viktor Klang
Code Connoisseur
www.akkasource.com
On Sep 5, 2010, at 21:00, Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse) jnux...@gmail.com wrote:
I so love reading these debates! Go on gentlemen!
- Joe
On Sep 5, 8:36 am, Viktor Klang viktor.kl...@gmail.com wrote:
Guys, what are you hoping to
Back to pharma, it could be argued that most or nearly all medicines are not
the result of research but rather they go to the jungle and steal and
extract the potent chemical of some plant. I guess that means that all these
patents have prior art as the local people in that jungle already knew
You've been watching too many movies.
On Sep 6, 12:10 am, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com
wrote:
Back to pharma, it could be argued that most or nearly all medicines are not
the result of research but rather they go to the jungle and steal and
extract the potent chemical of some
Yeah, this looks like somewhat of the storyline of AVATAR .
OTOH, he is right to some extent. I am personally aware of companies being
involved such activities(e.g. TULSI , PUDINA aresome of the names that I
know are being used..). I do agree that not all of their products are
derived plants.
There is absolutely no proof that the current US patent system (which
lets you patent software, and which is based around granting every
patent and putting the burden of overturning them on the court system
and any future defenders of patent lawsuits) is good for innovation.
Virtually all legal
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.comwrote:
There is absolutely no proof that the current US patent system (which
lets you patent software, and which is based around granting every
patent and putting the burden of overturning them on the court system
and any
2010/9/4 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
This might sound like an obvious plus, but you need to realize that in the
absence of software patents, maybe these companies would simply never have
come up with these ideas in the first place because they wouldn't see the
point in investing millions
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/9/4 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
This might sound like an obvious plus, but you need to realize that in the
absence of software patents, maybe these companies would simply never have
come up with these ideas in the
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