Now URLs are selected with sticky round-robin algorithm. This is done in
URLSelector which is an inner class of HALocalManagedConnectionFactory.
Should I be warried about thread-safeness of the whole implementation?
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I would wait for
http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl20/
to become final. It is in
W3C Working Draft 3 August 2004
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And you will want to check the performance of that thing.
That was the main reason for having to rewrite it.
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Tom Baeyens closed JBPM-47:
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Resolution: Done
hibernate persistence of the jbpm domain model
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Key: JBPM-47
URL:
[ http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPM-10?page=history ]
Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-10:
Description:
the jbpm default join does not synchronize as the pattern 'synchronization'
describes.
the jbpm default join synchronizes based on the
[ http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPM-67?page=history ]
Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-67:
Component: Core Engine
add support for process-local variable-type-determination
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Key: JBPM-67
[ http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-1449?page=history ]
Dimitris Andreadis reassigned JBAS-1449:
Assign To: Dimitris Andreadis
Update the ServerInfo memory ops to use the jdk 5 mbeans
[ http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-1448?page=history ]
Dimitris Andreadis reassigned JBAS-1448:
Assign To: Dimitris Andreadis
Update the ServerInfo listThreadDump to use the jdk 5 stack traces
Of course I'm no fun, that's what users are for. :-)
Thank you for the instructions on making the scripts, I did miss that point. I
still have to wonder why you guys didn't just generate ddl scripts for the more
common databases and include them in the binary package, considering that you
hello.
using jboss-3.2.6 and jboss-aop_1.0.0-FINAL
i'm trying to to intercept a call to the protected method in the superclass
from the concrete class, so here is my call
bind pointcut=call( * com.com1.com2.BaseClass-method1(..))
advice name=method aspect=MyAspect/
/bind
first of this
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Marshall Culpepper updated JBIDE-18:
Description:
Environment:
Fix Version: 1.5 Milestone 2
(was: 1.5 Milestone 1)
AOP IDE QA / Unit Tests
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Marshall Culpepper reassigned JBIDE-157:
Assign To: Robert Stryker (was: Marshall Culpepper)
Aspect Manager view is empty
Key: JBIDE-157
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Robert Stryker resolved JBIDE-157:
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Resolution: Done
The view now defaults to showing the four main categories (Aspects, Bindings,
Interceptors, Pointcuts), even if they are empty.
From your description is sounds like the problem is that the browser is
caching the entire page. You can change this behavior by either
a) setting the 'expires' header in the theme jsp
b) setting the 'expires' property for the response objhect in the portlet
I'm not sure if b will work well, so
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It seems to be logical to be able to specify user/password per URL instead of
using the same user/pwd for every url in the list?
Then, as for me, it would make sense to still configure the ha datasource as a
collection of datasources. Not using all the elements that are usually used to
Absence of optional 'transaction-timeout' element throws NumberFormatException
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URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-1607
Project: JBoss Application Server
Type: Bug
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Robert Stryker resolved JBIDE-156:
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Resolution: Done
1.4 Annotation Support
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Key: JBIDE-156
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBIDE-156
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Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-93:
Fix Version: jBPM 3.0 alpha 3
add the organisation component
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Key: JBPM-93
URL:
Hi,
I have a question concerning transaction isolation levels. Using the
Serilizable level no write or read locks will be granted to TXN2 until TXN1
releases them. Will the same hold for n number of TreeCache instances in
cluster of n machines? In other words, Will TXN1 on node a/b/c on
Hello,
thank you for the reply,
I tried instanceof and typedef(Base.class) with no success. (what is the best
setup (jboss-aop.xml) whould you recommend for the following scenario)
here the set up:
public class Base {
protected void method1() {}
}
public class
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Not yet, but I guess Scott is saying let's setup a build for it. I'll include
Ryan to keep this moving.
Integrate EJB3 stable
Adrian,
My sourceforge id is: rajdeep_dua
My mail id is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-72:
Description:
we could add support for a configuration that requires all variables to be
declared (including the type) before they are used. this creates a bit of
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Hey Ovidiu,
I'm looking at the interceptors for EJB3 and they seem based on Hibernate3
stuff. I doubt you're going to be using the same exact interceptors for the
Facade (since it's using onLoad, etc and Messaging doesn't really need the
exact same events).
I notice your interceptors in the
created database compatibility package
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Key: JBPM-94
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPM-94
Project: JBoss jBPM
Type: Task
Components: Core Engine
Reporter: Tom Baeyens
Assigned to: Tom Baeyens
Fix For:
Update AOP/IDE Documentation
Key: JBIDE-162
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBIDE-162
Project: JBoss IDE
Type: Feature Request
Components: AOP Plugin
Reporter: Marshall Culpepper
Assigned to: Robert Stryker
Priority:
It works :-)
| JMImplementation
| name=Default,service=LoaderRepository
| type=MBeanRegistry
| type=MBeanServerDelegate
|
| java.lang
| name=Code Cache,type=MemoryPool
| name=CodeCacheManager,type=MemoryManager
| name=Copy,type=GarbageCollector
|
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Tom Baeyens closed JBPM-87:
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remove bidirectional relations management
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Key: JBPM-87
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPM-87
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JBoss what? App server? JBoss cache?
If you are refering to the appserver JBoss 4.0.X works with java 1.5 anything
early does not.
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This looks like what XMLBeans do, i.e. the object model contains data and XML
binding info.
I thought about looking at the value type, i.e. its package and class name. And
based on that information choose a schema to marshal the value with. Of course,
it implies that there is at least
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Marshall Culpepper updated JBIDE-13:
Description:
Environment:
Fix Version: 1.5 Milestone 2
(was: 1.5 Milestone 1)
Documentation
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Julien Viet updated JBPORTAL-224:
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Assign To: Roy Russo (was: Julien Viet)
Forum user's preferences
Key: JBPORTAL-224
URL:
Hi folks,
this thread is about the URLs that we rewrite in the wsdl for wsdl imports and
schema includes. Lets look at JIRA issue JBWS-153 for this discussion
The wsdl uses
| wsdl:types
| xsd:schema xmlns:xsd=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;
Hello
are you using jboss-common.jar and concurrent.jar that come with 3.2.6 or you
are using it from aop-1.1.1 because jboss-common.jar files are different?
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Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-81:
Fix Version: jBPM 3.0 alpha 3
(was: jBPM 3.0 alpha 2)
document jpdl schema for exception handlers
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Boy, this is not a simple use case. :-)
What I'd suggest is to build a standalone test outside of the servlet context
first. That is, don't even use the cache aop MBean service. Try it to see if
that works first.
-Ben
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Marshall Culpepper resolved JBIDE-9:
Resolution: Done
Fix Version: 1.5 Milestone 1
The property view has been implemented for reading. Writing will be supported
soon.
Entity
When I add
[attribute name=DeadlockDetection]true[/attribute]
to the configuration of the TreeCacheAop MBean I get the following error when
starting JBoss:
10:18:42,795 INFO [ServiceConfigurator] Problem configuring service
jboss.cache:service=TreeCacheAop
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all I did was copied jar files from jboss-32-install dir (4 files)
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JSR88 Documentation
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Key: JBIDE-161
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBIDE-161
Project: JBoss IDE
Type: Feature Request
Components: JSR88 plugin
Reporter: Marshall Culpepper
Assigned to: Marshall Culpepper
Fix For: 1.5
You mean the MBeanServer? We use our MX implementation so there is no issue
there.
Now, what overhead those MXBeans impose that I don't know, but they must be
integrated with the underlying JVM in a native way probably.
A couple of glitches I noticed:
To activate/integrate with this, you need
I have a ear with a war module.
In the war module i have security contraint to all jsp. (i'm using FORM based
login)
This works fine usually.
Now i try to deploy the same ear in a portal.
I have create a new GenericPortlet class
public class ABSolutionPortlet extends GenericPortlet
{
public
New to JBoss.
I have mail-services.xml defined properly, but getting error...
class javax.mail.SendFailedException: 550 Please configure your mail client to
use authentication.
Is there a configuration setting that I'm missing?
Laughton
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I'm sorry for writing in a separate window, but yes I did follow the
instructions to setup jboss-service.xml and etc.
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Tom Baeyens closed JBPM-91:
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Resolution: Done
fixed SerializableSerializer
Key: JBPM-91
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPM-91
[tward3:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/proj/vus/tward3/portal/jboss-portal-2.0-beta1-src/jboss-portal-2.0-beta1-src/build]$
sh ./build.sh ddl
build.sh: *WARNING* Ignoring environment value for $ANT_HOME
build.sh: Executing:
you need to be in:
/proj/vus/tward3/portal/jboss-portal-2.0-beta1-src/jboss-portal-2.0-beta1-src/core
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Tom Baeyens closed JBPM-94:
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Resolution: Done
created database compatibility package
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Key: JBPM-94
URL:
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here is what I get running with 1.1.1
005-03-23 11:04:42,843 DEBUG [net.sf.hibernate.engine.CacheSynchronization]
transaction after completion callback, status: 4
2005-03-23 11:04:42,843 DEBUG [net.sf.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl] transaction
completion
2005-03-23 11:04:42,843 ERROR
Hi Julien,
org.jboss.portal.impl.invocation package don't exists (in the source
distribution).
i found like similar package:
org.jboss.portal.server.impl.invocation
org.jboss.portal.server.plugin.invocation
org.jboss.portal.server.invocation
org.jboss.portal.core.invocation
What about the introduction of the new ha-local-tx-datasource element?
We could probably do some XSL tricks (like check whether url-delimeter is
present and connection-url actually contains more than one url) and avoid the
introduction of a new element.
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Bill Burke commented on JBAS-1595:
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I already have EJB 3.0 integrated with the jboss-head build. What is missing
is automatically running the testsuite as EJB 3's
Backport latest JBossCache (1.2.1)
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Key: JBAS-1609
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-1609
Project: JBoss Application Server
Type: Task
Components: JBoss Cache service
Versions: JBossAS-4.0.2RC1
Reporter:
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Ben Wang reassigned JBAS-1609:
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Backport latest JBossCache (1.2.1)
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Key: JBAS-1609
URL:
absolutely, I did all of the menitoned steps!
so I guess I don't need to care about the jboss-common.jar, correct?
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if you could put together a small test using AOPC, AOP 1.1.1 and JBoss 3.2.6
that reproduces the problem that would be cool. Otherwise, you'll have to wait
until I've got the time.
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you are using AOPC correct?
Did you remove all classfiles, recomple, and re-aopc before trying out AOP
1.1.1?
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Hi
1.1.1 and 1.1.0 don't work with 3.2.6, when you use Aspect and it's trying to
load a class from one of the aop jar files that class calls a method on a super
class from jboss package and this method doesn't exists, also you can not use
VM or CLASS scope because RepositoryClassLoader.class
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Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-50:
Fix Version: jBPM 3.0 alpha 3
support versioned class loading
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Key: JBPM-50
URL:
Thank You Julien, it's very clear.
But what about if Main.jsp contains 2 hyperlink.
One is for all authenticathed user and one only for user with admin role.
In a standard web container all user see links, but if a non admin user try
to access to the page authorized only to admin, a std web
Post attachments
Key: JBPORTAL-221
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPORTAL-221
Project: JBoss Portal
Type: Task
Components: Forums
Versions: 2.0 Final, 2.0 Beta 2
Reporter: Julien Viet
Assigned to: Roy Russo
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This
it is because you need to secure your portlet.
when you access the portal, you are either authenticated or not against the
portal. in both case if you access the portal then you can hit any servlet in
the server, servlet container security will not apply.
the security you set a the war level
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Ben Wang reassigned JBAS-1609:
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Assign To: Bela Ban (was: Ben Wang)
Blea, I didn't know that you have the hibernate/cache integration issue open.
So do you want to take this as well?
Backport
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Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-72:
Component: Core Engine
required variable declaration
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Key: JBPM-72
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPM-72
really ? that must be a mistake done by us.
you can fetch the original distribution from cvs, either HEAD or jboss portal
2.0 beta tag.
| cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/jboss login
| cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/jboss co jboss-portal-2.0
| cvs -d
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Tom Baeyens closed JBPM-15:
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Resolution: Done
create jbpm training
Key: JBPM-15
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPM-15
Project: JBoss
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Ben Wang commented on JBAS-1292:
To obtain SFSB fine-grain replication in ejb3, we can create an aspect that is
annotated. When a user annotates it on their SFSB as
1.4 Annotation Support
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URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBIDE-156
Project: JBoss IDE
Type: Task
Components: AOP Plugin
Reporter: Marshall Culpepper
Assigned to: Marshall Culpepper
Fix For: 1.5 Milestone 1
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Marshall Culpepper updated JBIDE-16:
Description:
Environment:
Fix Version: 1.5 Milestone 2
(was: 1.5 Milestone 1)
QA/Testing
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Invoking a remote Session Bean results in call to locally registered Session
Bean.
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Key: JBAS-1606
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-1606
Project: JBoss Application Server
Support for IPv6
Key: JGRP-47
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JGRP-47
Project: JGroups
Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Bela Ban
Assigned to: Bela Ban
Fix For: 2.3
Requires changes to IpAddress, maybe Ipv6Address (subclass of
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Assign To: Roy Russo (was: Thomas Heute)
Enable/disable account
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Key: JBPORTAL-70
URL:
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Julien Viet reassigned JBPORTAL-71:
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Assign To: Roy Russo (was: Thomas Heute)
Last login date
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Key: JBPORTAL-71
URL:
you should be using $instanceof{com.com1.com2.BaseClass}-method1(..).
I need more help diagnosing this problem.
So auditMethod() calls a protected method of its superclass?
public class Base {
protected void method1() {}
}
public class Concrete extends Base {
public void
Forum user's preferences
Key: JBPORTAL-224
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBPORTAL-224
Project: JBoss Portal
Type: Task
Components: Forums
Versions: 2.0 Final, 2.0 Beta 2
Reporter: Julien Viet
Assigned to: Julien
Any news about this request?
i have the same problem of Hurzeler... i want to wrap my web application in a
portal.
Where i can find an example?
Thank You
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Does anyone have a setup.ddl for MS SQL? I am attempting to convert the MySQL
one that comes with jboss, however I do not feel real confident about some
parts.
Thanks,
Grant
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Thomas,
thanks for posting this issue. I spent few hours on Monday thinking over
this(when I hacked something in ServiceEndpointServlet).
I support the idea of not tinkering the schemaLocation in the published wsdl.
It should be the way the author intended it to be.
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I have modified my codes so that all transactions are being started and
commited within the UserActivityManager MBean which is using the TreeCacheAop
service to cache all user activity. Any EJB methods which access this
UserActivityManager are marked with a NotSupported trans-attribute in the
I have implemented this, with some slight changes to the syntax (for future
reference):
generatedsource id=jboss-ql-parser
| srcdir=main
| javacc=org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/ejbql/JBossQLParser.jjt/
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| generatedsource id=ejb-ql-parser
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Here's some requirements AOP has for kernel XML parsing:
* I need ability to parse XML fragments. This is because I have my own aspect
definition XML that I want to keep backward compatible and I do not want to
have to rewrite it.
| aspect class=org.Aspect scope=PER_JOINPOINT
|
JavaCC Support
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Key: JBBUILD-55
URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBBUILD-55
Project: JBoss Build System
Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Ryan Campbell
Assigned to: Ryan Campbell
Fix For: milestone-1
Allow a project to generate parsers
Hi,
I'll try to do it at some point, but I was able to get going with 1.1.1, the
problem was that in was picking up the older version of jboss-aop.jar in the
eclipse plugin, but still when running, I get IllegalAccessError, it almost
seems like byte code some how gets out of sync:
can you try outside of eclipse?
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the TreeCacheListener can only handle the after the fqn has been evicted event.
would u please tell me how to handle the event before the fqn has been evicted.
for example. I want to do some clean up job just before the cached object is
evicted from the cache. thanks.
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| Should I be warried about thread-safeness of the whole implementation?
Yes, the pool allows multiple threads to be dealing with connection
construction/validation
at the same time, upto the max-size which is the basis for the semaphore.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : It seems to be logical to be able to specify
user/password per URL instead of using the same user/pwd for every url in the
list?
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| Then, as for me, it would make sense to still configure the ha datasource
as a collection of datasources. Not using all the
so your'e still seeing the problem with AOP 1.1.1? Again, I did a regression
test on this and could not reproduce the problem. I did not test with 3.2.6
though, but if you're using precompilation a.k.a. AOPC, then there really
shouldn't be much of a different.
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I tried it, I'm pretty sure now, that the jboss-aop.jar used for compiling and
at run time is the same. Again, it only happens when the interceptor needs to
invokeNext on a protected method. it works for private and public
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