On 2010-02-24 17:27, Nathan Fritz wrote:
> Perhaps some client driven pep is in order for showing a user facing
> unique name for individual sessions.
Based on current usage of resource, most probably description field from
geoloc would be a nice replacement.
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On Saturday 24 of October 2009 05:30:01 cw wrote:
> SEND: sid='6b52c7a7'> id='os1'>
is not a standard request. It's first
time i see it.
And probably server doesn't know it either:
> xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas'/>
After you sent your initial , online contacts will send you
Dave Cridland wrote:
On Wed Jun 3 21:51:37 2009, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote:
Is the list also available in XMPP univers?
A pubsub node?
Need an XMPP account? Just find one using our PubSub system. All you
need to get started is an XMPP account...
How about SASL Anonymous?
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Fabio Forno wrote:
> 2009/3/20 Remko Tronçon :
>>> Hi, does anybody know a client supporting pep for avatars.
>> Psi should support it. Perhaps Gajim too?
> Well, so there is something wrong since I see nothing. Let's go to bug
> hunting!
I'm afraid Psi implementation didn't update namespace when
Jonathan Schleifer wrote:
> While we're just talking about URIs: What would be the best way to link
> to a MUC?
How about xmpp:r...@conference.example.com?join
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jlist wrote:
> Speaking of presence messages, is there a way to tell from these
> messages (or by any other means) that a buddy has gone off-line?
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3921bis-07.html#rfc.section.4.7.1
Basically, you send
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Julien Genestoux wrote:
>> So people use this website to register an account on your XMPP server?
>> Then you can use the same protocol (jabber:iq:register) to provide
>> account registration on your server.
> Actually, no they don't create an account on the server it self... The
> server doesn't
Julien Genestoux wrote:
> Well, as with any service : they visit our website (they can access only
> 'public' spaces, including a signup page) and then they signup. Once
> signed up, they can access their privatate and they get a login/password
> for the jabber server!
>
> The goal here is to d
Julien Genestoux wrote:
> The goal here is to be able to create users with the component
> (only...), so how can clients connect to my component without being
> authenticated to my server first?
Hmm this sounds a bit strange..
How does this work with HTTP registration right now?
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ashiraz wrote:
> Remko Tronçon;4907 Wrote:
>> Please base yourself on http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3920.txt and
>> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3921.txt That's the only official and
>> correct way to implement an XMPP client.
> I am not merely usingthe above wiki I am also using Oreilly's book on Jab
Arne Claassen wrote:
> I'm trying to determine whether XEP-0004 can be used by a bot to send
> data forms to a client.
>
> - include a form via inside a message sent from the bot to the
> client. Client gets the message and shows the body in chat, but does
> not show the form
Try Psi.
If
Eric Will wrote:
> I found my problem. As I figured, it was my fault. I hadn't counted on
> cnonce being base64-encoded, and in my code that forms the `response`
> hash I use, I split the string into key=>value by splitting on the '='
> sign. The cnonce had an '=' on the end of it, which was just g
jlist wrote:
> I figured it out - I needed to set type to "chat".
> It worked fine with gtalk but gizmoproject somehow
> drops a message if it doesn't have chat type.
Sounds like a bug on gizmoproject side.
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Lastwebpage wrote:
> on the other side,
> who want really get messages from unknown contacts?
And who wants to grant subscription to a jid you see first time in your
life and you have no idea why you're being asked for it?
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jlist wrote:
> Good to know. Thanks. I can't seem to do this with gtalk, though.
> Is it the gtalk client or both client and server that prevent
> doing so?
This is a "feature" of google's server: if I use their server and you
send me a message while I don't have you on my list, message will be
jlist wrote:
> Is it possible to send a message to an ID that's not
> in once's buddy list?
Yes, you can do this.
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Jonathan Dickinson wrote:
> As he noted his admin is a ogre.
>
> I sounds like the only ports available on his intranet are the email ones.
Maybe we need BOSS (Bidirectional-streams Over Synchronous SMTP)? ;)
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Ovidiu Craciun wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I recently subscribed to JDev@jabber.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED] through
> http://www.xmpp.org/about/discuss.shtml web page.
>
> I get daily email digests and I would like to get instead individual emails
> as they are sent.
> How can I change this settings for
Sander Devrieze wrote:
2008/5/22 Daniel Henninger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
xmpp
Since such a thing does exist. =) I'm actually also using gtalk, but I
don't really think that ought to be officially registered. *shrug* =)
Yes, why do you actually have such a transport? AFAICS this only can
con
Daniel Henninger wrote:
Any reason not to go ahead and add it? I also wouldn't mind seeing:
simple
sametime
ocs
And hell:
xmpp
Since such a thing does exist. =) I'm actually also using gtalk, but I
don't really think that ought to be officially registered. *shrug* =)
Then make it x-xmpp.
Jonathan Dickinson wrote:
What are the options here?
var='http://www.mycompany.org/xml-rpc/example.ConvertCurrency.php' />
Note that there may be things like var="http://jabber.org/protocol/something"/> there, too. It would be a
bit confusing if we started adding URLs there.
Maybe XEP
JabberForum wrote:
From one machine, I login as : [EMAIL PROTECTED]/Resource1.
Simultaneously I login in another machine as
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Resource2.
The 2 JIDs differ only by the Resource names..
What is special about the resource names that we cannot accomplish just
by having a unique bare
Remko Tronçon pisze:
1. Modify existing documentation and implementations to a more strict
behavior that would treat values not mentionned in RFC 3921 as illegal.
most implementations just ignore an unknown type and treat it as
'available', which i think is a sensible thing to do.
On the ot
Sean Gilbertson pisze:
I believe the correct way to do this is:
Isn't good enough?
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Fabio Forno wrote:
You are right if you consider present IM
clients, which handle content only if they have hardcoded support for
that particular namespace. That is the reason for which we stated the
API mailing list, IM clients should be able to retrieve also the
presentation logic of the conten
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 01:08:21PM +0100, Remko Tronçon wrote:
> I added another proposal to the GSoC page, entitled "XSD Schema Compiler".
Sounds interesting. And probably useful, too.
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shashi kiran pisze:
Hi Norman it works great for Block.
i Used the Following unblock
Is this the Proper way??
As far as I know, you cannot grant subscription (send "subscribed") if
[EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't ask for it first. So sending this will have no
result in most cases.
Yo
JackieZhang pisze:
> hi,all
>i download the newest version jabberd2.1.23,i find that my jabberd client
> can't login the jabberd2.1.23,but my jabberd client can login to
> jabberd2.1.15,i get the xmpp message:
>
> SEND:
> xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-session'/>
> RECV:
> type='canc
Tomasz Sterna pisze:
Dnia 2008-02-08, Pt o godzinie 09:51 +0200, Norman Rasmussen pisze:
Can you ask Coccinella to use a different resource? If you remove the
@ does it help? (I'm thinking that having an @ in the resource might
be confusing jabberd2)
I was worried about the capitalization more
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
On the other hand, usually just 1/3 of my roster is online. So if
server starts sending presence for all contacts,
initial "presence flood" from the server increases 3 times.
So
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:23:38PM -0800, Justin Karneges wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2007 2:52 pm, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
So a nice server will return the last unavailable presence information
(with a Delayed Delivery flag), thus
Justin Karneges wrote:
On Friday 25 January 2008 7:06 am, Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:23:38PM -0800, Justin Karneges wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2007 2:52 pm, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
(1) reply to the presence probe by sending to the user
the full XML of the last
nowledge functionality (acknowledging sequence of
> messages using single acknowledge).
There are amore advanced acking extensions, but they are still being
developed and are not really implemented.
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y roster is online. So if server
starts sending presence for all contacts, initial "presence flood" from
the server increases 3 times.
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XML. You cannot "paste" binary data directly into XML,
so you also cannot put it directly into XMPP.
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> What's wrong with Gajim?
>
> Are there other Python clients out there?
cjc, written in PyXMPP by lib's author (Jacek).
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David Ammouial wrote:
Also, XEP-0070 is HTTP-specific.
You know, it was written as HTTP-specific, but it usually be quite
easily "abused" in other situations. Maybe it's worth separating 70 into
two parts, one about confirming "something" over XMPP and other about
HTTP-auth via XMPP.
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
>> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>> http://www.xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3921bis-00.html#rules
>> Let's say we're pinging a client which does not support ping namespace:
>>
>> Exampl
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> See here:
>
> http://www.xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3921bis-00.html#rules
Hmm... I just noticed something.
Let's say we're pinging a client which does not support ping namespace:
Example 9. Ping Not Supported
Now 3921bis says:
3. El
Hi,
I wrote a simple script that can be used for xmpp-pinging.
http://machekku.uaznia.net/jabber/xmppping/xmppping-0.1.tar.gz
(requires python and PyXMPP)
It tries to mimic ping command, so should be not so hard to use ;)
To have some practical use cases, it returns 0 if there was at least one
p
Norman Rasmussen wrote:
>> Whitespace is significant in the element, no?
> True, so we need to remind client developers that it's significant in
> the html node too, and that it's the job of the _receiving_ client to
> ensure that the whitespace is preserved (not the sending client)
Just a questi
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
>> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>> Alexander Gnauck wrote:
>>>> I would like prefer smth which allows multipart
>>>> messages with different content types where plain text is always
>>>> requi
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Alexander Gnauck wrote:
>> I would like prefer smth which allows multipart
>> messages with different content types where plain text is always
>> required. Content types could be plain text, xhtml, rtf etc...
>
> Hmm, there are many issues with email to jabber translatio
Andreas Putzo wrote:
> So, my question is: Is there a way to ask the server directly, whether
> there are messages pending without actually get them delivered to the
> client and therefore deleted on the server?
Maybe you're looking for XEP-0013: Flexible Offline Message Retrieval?
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Magnus Henoch wrote:
> Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Hi Magnus, you wanted to fix some stuff in XEP-0070 a while back, too,
>> right? We should get that done sometime. :-)
>
> I think that was Machekku…
Yes, I think it was me ;)
> I'm quite happy with the protocol :)
Try
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> For a custom XMPP client, we are looking to implement a message priority
> feature - the sender can set a priority when sending a message and the
> recipient's client can then use that priority while processing the message.
>
> What is the recommended XMPP protocol mes
Norman Rasmussen wrote:
> On 11/15/06, Magnus Henoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "Norman Rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > I've been playing with OpenID and using the XEP-0070 example as a
>> > source for logic. It was very irritating to have a unique resource
>> > all the time beca
Daniel Henninger wrote:
> MSN username: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jabber MSN translated JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> So where did this use of % come from?
As far as I know, % was used in the same way in very old times, in SMTP,
in cases when it was impossible to send email directly to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (
Stanczak Group wrote:
> Ok. Why so little activity here? Standards wouldn't seem where stuff
> would be.
You could say (for fun ;)) that this list is to discuss problems with
protocols designed by Standards-JIG people. So if they do their job
well, then there's not so much activity here ;)
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Magnus Henoch wrote:
> I got bored and tried to implement the server side of XEP-0070
> (verifying HTTP requests via XMPP) in PHP.
>
> Try it here: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~henoch/jabberauth/index.php4
> Source: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~henoch/jabberauth/index.txt
>
> Enter your Jabber
Panchal, Pankaj wrote:
> Hello.
> Could you please let me know IF I have a huge list of jabber IDs and
> wish to add all quickly , what can be done instead of sending a separate
> request to each user?
>
> I tried to do so , using jabber roster utility:
> https://beta.unclassified.d
Norman Rasmussen wrote:
@reno:
- then set up a rule to send all 'email sent to jdev@jabber.org' to a
certain folder.
Or use List-Id header.
- i think you can also set up a rule to move 'email you send to
jdev@jabber.org' to the same folder - that way, you keep your replies
with everyone else'
Hal Rottenberg wrote:
Instead of going to that mythical well-connected server (which really
can only be jabber.org in this context), I've got an idea for what
could be done first. It's very client-intelligence-dependent but
makes sense to me.
1. SRV query to the child domain to which the client
Hal Rottenberg wrote:
On 8/29/06, Maciek Niedzielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought the idea was:
if your full domain is: host1.some.network.example.com, then:
1. check if host1.some.network.example.com is a jabber server
2. else check if some.network.example.com is a jabber se
Daniel Noll wrote:
Instead of going to that mythical well-connected server (which really
can only be jabber.org in this context), I've got an idea for what
could be done first. It's very client-intelligence-dependent but
makes sense to me.
1. SRV query to the child domain to which the client co
Hal Rottenberg wrote:
Instead of going to that mythical well-connected server (which really
can only be jabber.org in this context), I've got an idea for what
could be done first. It's very client-intelligence-dependent but
makes sense to me.
1. SRV query to the child domain to which the client
Christian Hammers wrote:
> Is it possible to send messages from different programs simultaneously
> using only one account?
> (...)>
> But as this program reacts on emails via /etc/aliases, it may happen that
> more than one instance gets started simultaneously but only the first one
> is allowed
Florian Holzhauer wrote:
> If you have any suggestions about improving such stats, I would love
> to hear them.
Do virtual-hosted domains always resolve to the same IP number? Maybe
this could help to eliminate the duplicates.
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Maciek A: It's against natural order of read
Just tell me why (more important) half of my message disappeared and why
the remaining part got broken...
> jsm => 20 (I guess this is pre-1.4.3 jabberd1)
This can be something else, too. Like wpjabberd.
I know admins who run wpjabberd with jabberd1's jsm, and who run
jabberd1 with wpjabberd's on
Hal Rottenberg napisał(a):
On 7/22/06, Matthias Wimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jabber servers provide virtual hosting and have typically no "default
domain". Therefore, I think it will be at least hard to find out the
domain name this way.
Yes but I think that's overly broad to say "Jabber
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Even with an empty presence payload like ?
It means: I'm online with no status message (and not away/dnd/etc)
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Maciek A: It's against natural order of reading.
xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: Why is
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Assuming (for legacy reasons), the only injection point available in
> the code for this uni-directional "keepalive" is a message or
> presence packet, how "bad" is it to send a to the server
> (vs. say a jabber:iq:version o
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Animesh Srivastava wrote:
> Is there a place where I can find a list of _all_ the Error Codes a Jabber
> server may send to a client?
Stream errors:
http://www.xmpp.org/specs/rfc3920.html#streams-error
Stanza errors:
http://www.xmpp.org/specs/rfc3920
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Mircea Bardac wrote:
> On Thursday 08 June 2006 01:50, Joonas Govenius wrote:
>> 2. Should the protocol specify how to handle a
>> in a containing whiteboard data? Should it
>> be allowed?
>
> Think of the following (*):
> 1. s can be stored offline
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Ulrich Staudinger wrote:
> has someone a good solution how to reuse an existing community site with
> md5'd passwords with a jabber server? Only plain passwords can be
> accepted by the jabber server, which can be checked against the md5'd
> passwords
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Christian Cantrell wrote:
> I'm hoping someone can suggest a good transport solution.
> I'd like to set up transports for (...) Google.
Google transport is called s2s module and should be included in your
jabber server ;)
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Sander Devrieze wrote:
> Op dinsdag 25 april 2006 13:12, schreef Remko Troncon:
>>> I believe it is worth to note that this XHTML compliancy is extremely
>>> unique to ejabberd; I can't find *any* other instant messaging server
>>> with a web interface
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Justin Karneges wrote:
> On Friday 21 April 2006 06:44, George Hazan wrote:
>> Does anybody know about an attempt to compile the GNUPG sources as the DLL
>> for Win32? It takes too much time & resources to call that EXE every time I
>> want to decode/e
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Trejkaz wrote:
> Remko Troncon wrote:
>> - If you really want to support Google Talk, you can get away with a
>> regexp match on the JID, and enable all these non-standard extensions.
>> No other server is using these anyway. As long as GT doesn't chan
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Another +1 to XMPP-ID.
> 2. There is atleast one commercial vendor with Jabber in their name.
> There are also popular opensource servers with jabber in their name. In
> that sense, jabber-id creates more confusion about pro
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> That wiki page currently describes how to add "Jabber-ID" header support
> to Emacs, Mail.app, Mutt, and Thunderbird. How about Eudora, KMail,
> Notes, Outlook, etc.?
I think you can add headers in Outlook Express using OE-P
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Hal Rottenberg wrote:
> On 1/17/06, Maciek Niedzielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Both ways?
>> I could send from gmail to "somewhere else", but sending to gmail failed:
>
> Don't worry, it's a Beta.
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Pedro Melo wrote:
>>> http://ralphm.net/blog/2006/01/17/gtalk_s2s
>>
>> It seems that I need to get subscription from gmail user to be able to
>> send them messages.
>
> No, I was able to send a message between my gmail and sapo account
> without subsc
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Hal Rottenberg wrote:
> Thank you, Google!
>
> http://ralphm.net/blog/2006/01/17/gtalk_s2s
It seems that I need to get subscription from gmail user to be able to
send them messages.
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Justin Karneges wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 10:57, Magnus Henoch wrote:
>> I'm trying to make my Jabber server require people registering an
>> account enter an e-mail address for password retrieval and such (in
>> practice, it might be too obn
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Perhaps we need a little JEP that specifies the recommended order of
> negotiation for the stream features in the registry, and we update that
> JEP whenever we define a new stream feature?
I'm sure it will be easier to refe
Hello,
Some of the readers already know about it, but this is the first
"international" announcement of Jobble project:
http://jobble.uaznia.net/
We're trying to have some fun while using Jabber :)
Right now, all our effords are focused on Jabber Users Map - a fully
automated, GoogleMaps-based
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Jon Scottorn wrote:
> Thanks for all the info thus far, if you are interested, there is a
> smtp transport that Peter had sent me that sounds like exactly what you
> are describing,
I think uaznia.net is running a bit modified Theoretic SMTP transpo
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Norman Rasmussen wrote:
>> i.e. a full email transport, but not doing pop3 or imap, rather
>> waiting for the smtp delivery.
>
> How would you handle attachments? Just curious. :-)
SMTP transport on uaznia.net provides pass
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Maybe I should start learning erlang? ;)
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Hal Rottenberg wrote:
> On 11/24/05, Norman Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 11/24/05, Matt Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> ClearType refers to Microsoft's version of sub-pixel
>>> anti-aliasing on LCD monitors.
>> I've found it even ma
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Trejkaz wrote:
>> Trejkaz wrote:
>>> On Windows, though, Swing draws just like any real theme, and thus looks
>>> better than SWT, which does not.
>> And does any of the libraries support ClearType on Windows? I hate using
>> Java applications, because
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Trejkaz wrote:
> On Windows, though, Swing draws just like any real theme, and thus looks
> better than SWT, which does not.
And does any of the libraries support ClearType on Windows? I hate using
Java applications, because the fonts look so bad in t
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Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> One of my Coccinella users are using Psi behind a NAT while his friend is not
> behind a NAT and when doing filtransfers when the initiator is behind the NAT
> have observed two peculiar things:
>
> Are they having there own pr
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Hal Rottenberg wrote:
> On 10/19/05, Chems Amrani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I have to develop a client Jabber working on different OS. Could you
>>tell me which API is suitable for that ? Maybe an API Java. Which
>>one is the simplest to use ?
>
>
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Daniel Henninger wrote:
> I don't suppose there is a Uri prefix that indicates a chatroom is there?
> Or any interest in such a thing? Basically I think it would be nice if
> there were a link that could trigger the client to pop up an 'enter
> chatr
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BreezeChan wrote:
> I'm working on a jabber client for palm ,that base on some JabberPalm
> project's libaries. As i know,JabberPalm is publish under GPL & Jabber
> Open source License. It's should be legal If i publish my new
> Jabberclient as sharewa
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Rory wrote:
> Any chance that someone
> could send me an invitation code so that I can test my
> client-side XMPP library against Google Talk?
Sent.
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Alessandro Bottoni wrote:
> Which Python library would you use for developing a small Jabber client?
> pyxmpp (looks like the "official" python library)
> http://pyxmpp.jabberstudio.org/
This is the only python library I ever tried, and I had no prob
On Śr Lipca 27 2005, 3:17, Samuel Goto napisał(a):
> I am starting to write JEPs support for my library ...
> and I have mainly two questions :
>1) Wich one should I start with ? (I was thinking about Service
> Discovery and VCards because they sounded interesting ... then muc,
> chat, etc )
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Mario Salzer wrote:
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>> I recently tried to advocate a similar [EMAIL PROTECTED] syntax as
>> shortcut for Web URLs (as replacement for less user-friendly OpenID
>> homepage addresses). But because of the fear for AOL users
On Pn Lipca 25 2005, 15:27, Tant Ludovic napisał(a):
> - when a message or a presence is sent from a local jid to specific
> virtual jid, forward it to differents real jid. And when a presence
> query is asked for a virtual jid, reply 'available' if at least one of
> the different real jid is avail
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Ian Paterson wrote:
> The javascript URL below allows you to quickly open any JEP.
> I hope some of you find it useful.
Thanks for the script. I made a small change to make it work as keyword
search in Firefox:
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