Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-05 Thread Bart van Bragt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But where to find them? How to motivate them? That's where the 'community' part comes in. We have the same situation with phpBB (www.phpbb.com). There is a small group that knows how to write software, they concentrate on writing the new version of phpBB (area51.phpbb.com)

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-05 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 10:12:56PM -0400, Julian Missig wrote: > On 4 Oct 2004, at 18:46, Mikael Hallendal wrote: > >Sounds a bit over the top to try to guess what client would be best > >depending on what other IM clients the user has used. And also, imho > >the usability of ICQ sucks, and presen

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-05 Thread aliban
On 5 Oct 2004 at 0:46, Mikael Hallendal wrote: > I think the current situation makes it really hard to get into Jabber. > This is not only a problem with choosing the client, the hardest part is > still to try to figure out what the differences between different > servers are. > > Best Regards

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-05 Thread aliban
I think so, too. btw. I expect that no jabber developers will spend time in managing such a webpage as they will better invest more time in their components&clients. Therefor such a page would rather depend on some enthusiastic users... And such a user can not be motivated by a decission of th

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-04 Thread Julian Missig
On 4 Oct 2004, at 18:46, Mikael Hallendal wrote: Sounds a bit over the top to try to guess what client would be best depending on what other IM clients the user has used. And also, imho the usability of ICQ sucks, and presenting the user with something much easier to use might be a better drive

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-04 Thread Mikael Hallendal
Julian Missig wrote: Hi, Any decent community site is going to have some kind of bias. I don't think "eliminating bias" should be your top priority. I think "making it easier for people to get started" should be your top priority. You don't need to fear "hiding" other or new clients. If it truly

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-04 Thread Julian Missig
Well, simply put, I disagree. To me, the bias of "most popular" client or "most highly-rated" client, while it may be fine for "average" users (since that's what you're getting), is not necessarily the best bet for first-time Jabber users. I'm willing to bet that people who lightly use IM and h

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-04 Thread Richard Dobson
Any decent community site is going to have some kind of bias. Of course but that bias should really reflect that of the community that supports it rather than the people creating the site, which is where the rating system comes into its own allowing the community at large to select a more balanc

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-04 Thread Julian Missig
On 4 Oct 2004, at 3:53, Richard Dobson wrote: Yea thats fine, for first time users present the say top 5 rated clients, also maybe making features of new clients that are getting high ratings but maybe havent come high enough in the list yet. But restricting the list to a certain total value IMO

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-04 Thread Bart van Bragt
Justin Karneges wrote: On Sunday 03 October 2004 08:06 am, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Last month, the creation of a Jabber Community Site was discussed on this mailing list. The project has been started. Is BartVB aware of the project? He has been trying to organize this for a long time now, and I hop

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-04 Thread Richard Dobson
Yes, a baseline criteria plus user ratings is a good way to create an unbiased listing. However, I still say this list should be chopped off at a small number like 4 (and actually, I'd be surprised if even 4 clients qualify on each platform anyway, depending on the criteria). Maybe there could be

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-03 Thread Justin Karneges
On Sunday 03 October 2004 05:19 pm, Richard Dobson wrote: > > - There should probably be no more than 4 clients in the client listing. > > This > > way it will be possible for the user to make a quick and easy decision. > > It > > would probably be a good idea to mark the topmost item as "recommend

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-03 Thread Richard Dobson
- There should probably be no more than 4 clients in the client listing. This way it will be possible for the user to make a quick and easy decision. It would probably be a good idea to mark the topmost item as "recommended" with a gold border around the entry or something. This way the users d

Re: [jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-03 Thread Justin Karneges
On Sunday 03 October 2004 08:06 am, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Last month, the creation of a Jabber Community Site was discussed on > this mailing list. The project has been started. Is BartVB aware of the project? He has been trying to organize this for a long time now, and I hope you two are work

[jdev] Jabber Community Site : Call for Help

2004-10-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hello, Last month, the creation of a Jabber Community Site was discussed on this mailing list. The project has been started. After looking for a CMS that suited our needs (excellent multi-language support + version tracking), we discovered that no such CMS existed. So we decided to write a small