Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-30 Thread Rory
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:23:31AM +0200, Tomasz Sterna wrote: > 2005/8/30, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > And of course I would also warmly welcome the SRV record for > > > _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com, becouse that would spare me that > > > explanation, making "things just work". > > Perhaps you

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-30 Thread Tomasz Sterna
2005/8/30, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > And of course I would also warmly welcome the SRV record for > > _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com, becouse that would spare me that > > explanation, making "things just work". > Perhaps you understand now that there might be a little bit more > to win here than j

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-29 Thread Rory
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 11:05:31PM +0200, Tomasz Sterna wrote: > We are trying to make XMPP accessible to everyone, not the computer geeks > only. > > Please try to explain the whole concept of hosts file, ssh and > tunneling to Aunt Tillie... > > I'd rather like to explain how to click one chec

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-29 Thread Tomasz Sterna
2005/8/27, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ssh port forwarding but I'll give it a go. I imagine I'd try the > following steps: > 1. [...] We are trying to make XMPP accessible to everyone, not the computer geeks only. Please try to explain the whole concept of hosts file, ssh and tunneling to Aunt Ti

[OT] Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-29 Thread Hal Rottenberg
On 8/27/05, Trejkaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about the scenario where you are on a network which blocks all > > communication to the outside world except ssh ? > > That's our work network in a nutshell. > > The SSH client does of course have a SOCKS server built-in, but implementing > S

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-28 Thread Rory
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 11:15:02AM +1000, Trejkaz wrote: > > Yeah. Actually, I used to do this trick before I started using multiple > servers. I wish the hosts file allowed me to override SRV entries as well as > A entries. :-) > Me too Trejkaz - that would be pretty damn useful! Rory

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Trejkaz
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:21, Rory wrote: > 2. Make the following entry in my hosts file: > > 127.0.0.1localhost jabber.org Yeah. Actually, I used to do this trick before I started using multiple servers. I wish the hosts file allowed me to override SRV entries as well as A entries. :-)

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Rory
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 10:28:41PM +0200, Remko Troncon wrote: > > When did this conversation turn into one on HTTP tunneling ? As i > repeat in every post, all i am talking about is connecting to a > different XMPP server than the one resolved from the JID. This is > what the original post

[jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Remko Troncon
What I'm getting at here is division of labour. I don't think that an XMPP client should be expected to know how to use HTTP tunneling When did this conversation turn into one on HTTP tunneling ? As i repeat in every post, all i am talking about is connecting to a different XMPP server th

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Rory
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 08:28:43PM +0200, Remko Troncon wrote: > > On 27 Aug 2005, at 19:58, Rory wrote: > > >You could run proxies inside firewalls that might be knowledgeable > >about HTTP tunneling. > > You always look at this from the viewpoint of a network > administrator. If you have n

[jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Remko Troncon
On 27 Aug 2005, at 19:58, Rory wrote: You could run proxies inside firewalls that might be knowledgeable about HTTP tunneling. You always look at this from the viewpoint of a network administrator. If you have no control over the network you are in (i.e. you are not an admin), and the on

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Rory
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 04:17:37PM +0200, Tijl Houtbeckers wrote: > > I doubt it's a 5 minute sysadmin job for Google, with their highly > distributed network and all. If you can do it in 5 minutes without > endangering their millions of dollars per hour operations, maybe they > should hire

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Tijl Houtbeckers
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:15:26 +0200, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Tijl, On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:38:43PM +0200, Tijl Houtbeckers wrote: Well, since google says in their FAQ that they don't have SRV enabled *yet* (my emphasis) what's the fuzz about in the first place? :) What I was re

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Rory
Hi Tijl, On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:38:43PM +0200, Tijl Houtbeckers wrote: > > Well, since google says in their FAQ that they don't have SRV enabled > *yet* (my emphasis) what's the fuzz about in the first place? :) What I was really asking was that they make this entry sooner rather than late

[jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Remko Troncon
On 27 Aug 2005, at 15:38, Tijl Houtbeckers wrote: Well, since google says in their FAQ that they don't have SRV enabled *yet* (my emphasis) what's the fuzz about in the first place? :) Nu fuss, we just wanted to show that the possibility to set a custom server in a client is useful, and

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Tijl Houtbeckers
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:33:49 +0200, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow, and all this because I didn't think it was too much to ask that people offering an XMPP service should make a simple DNS SRV entry if they they wanted to host their service on a machine with a hostname different from their

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Trejkaz
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:07, Remko Troncon wrote: > On 27 Aug 2005, at 14:59, Rory wrote: > > A network scenario like: > > How about the scenario where you are on a network which blocks all > communication to the outside world except ssh ? That's our work network in a nutshell. The SSH client does

Re: [jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Rory
Hi Remko, On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:07:39PM +0200, Remko Troncon wrote: > > How about the scenario where you are on a network which blocks all > communication to the outside world except ssh ? > Sounds like a blast! How about running you client from the remote server on the net - and have

[jdev] Re: Google DNS SRV records

2005-08-27 Thread Remko Troncon
On 27 Aug 2005, at 14:59, Rory wrote: A network scenario like: How about the scenario where you are on a network which blocks all communication to the outside world except ssh ? cheers, Remko ___ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mail.ja