Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jefferson Ogata wrote: On 2006-07-19 15:49, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: The question is not whether certain organizations need this, the question is how to best do this in XMPP. IMHO we have two alternatives: 1. A new, optional attribute in the stream header. This informs the receiving party of

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-19 Thread Benjamin Podszun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the need for your feature requests. I presume if users go through any provisioning steps to register an account with your service than that would be one place for such a disclaimer. If you permit in-band account registration, the welcome message could be

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-19 Thread Trejkaz
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 18:46, Benjamin Podszun wrote: Please - don't mix banners with braindead and completely useless eMail signatures.. These disclaimers you are probably talking about are largely deemed irrelevant and I've yet to find one that really contains anything worth the

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-19 Thread Jefferson Ogata
On 2006-07-19 12:32, Tobias Markmann wrote: You can put that kind of information, disclaimer, TOS, etc., in the registration form which your server returns to the client which is going to create a account. If that isn't supported the server can just provide Off-Band Registration where the user

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jefferson Ogata wrote: Again, the requirement is that this occur before authentication. Look at how FTP, ssh2, or rsync do it. Really, it is an oversight that this is not currently built in to XMPP; it's trivial to define an attribute or element at the beginning of the stream element to

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-19 Thread Hal Rottenberg
On 7/19/06, Jefferson Ogata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at how FTP, ssh2, or rsync do it. Really, it is an oversight that this is not currently built in to XMPP; it's trivial to define an attribute or element at the beginning of the stream element to handle this. It's a matter of specifying

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-19 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Jul 19 19:55:06 2006, Hal Rottenberg wrote: Is what you are asking a valid concern and a good idea? Yes, I agree there. What I don't want to see is putting any new requirements on the clients if that can be avoided. Putting it on servers is a better idea. I'll leave the question of

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-19 Thread Jefferson Ogata
On 2006-07-19 18:55, Hal Rottenberg wrote: Let me expand on the reasons for my first reply (which re-reading I see it looks a bit antagonistic which I didn't intend). I dig. I don't see this as an oversight necessarily. You are comparing apples and oranges when you bring SSH and such back

[jdev] service banners?

2006-07-18 Thread Jefferson Ogata
Is there any provision in XMPP or JEPs for service banners? By this I mean proper banners such as are supported by ssh2, as well as traditional protocols such as FTP and telnet. A requirement is that the banner be presented to the user before authentication. An MOTD doesn't qualify here. --

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-18 Thread Hal Rottenberg
On 7/18/06, Jefferson Ogata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any provision in XMPP or JEPs for service banners? By this I mean proper banners such as are supported by ssh2, as well as traditional protocols such as FTP and telnet. A requirement is that the banner be presented to the user before

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-18 Thread Matthew A. Miller
Hal Rottenberg wrote: On 7/18/06, Jefferson Ogata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any provision in XMPP or JEPs for service banners? By this I mean proper banners such as are supported by ssh2, as well as traditional protocols such as FTP and telnet. A requirement is that the banner be

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-18 Thread Jefferson Ogata
On 2006-07-19 02:00, Hal Rottenberg wrote: On 7/18/06, Jefferson Ogata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any provision in XMPP or JEPs for service banners? By this I mean proper banners such as are supported by ssh2, as well as traditional protocols such as FTP and telnet. A requirement is

Re: [jdev] service banners?

2006-07-18 Thread ennova2005-jabber
I see the need for your feature requests.I presume if users go through any provisioning steps to register an account with your service than that would be one place for such a disclaimer. If you permit in-band account registration, the welcome message could be another place.If you need to remind