Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-07-03 Thread Dave Cridland
On Jun 28, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Bruce Campbell wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Joe Hildebrand wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:59:54 -0600 From: Joe Hildebrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Jabber software development list To: Jabber software development list Subject: Re: [jdev] XMPP Pin

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-07-01 Thread Joe Hildebrand
ROTECTED]> Reply-To: Jabber software development list To: Jabber software development list Subject: Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ? On Jun 27, 2006, at 4:09 AM, Bruce Campbell wrote: Well, not really. You'll get a TCP ack back, which should be enough to keep the light

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-28 Thread Bruce Campbell
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Joe Hildebrand wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:59:54 -0600 From: Joe Hildebrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Jabber software development list To: Jabber software development list Subject: Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ? On Jun 27, 2006, at 4

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-27 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Jun 27, 2006, at 4:09 AM, Bruce Campbell wrote: Well, not really. You'll get a TCP ack back, which should be enough to keep the lights on. Not if you are dealing with inspection-type firewalls which don't really treat a TCP ACK as a data packet. If firewalls did this, TCP would *break

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-27 Thread Bruce Campbell
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Jun 19, 2006, at 1:15 AM, Sergei Golovan wrote: The problem is that this "ping" is not a ping at all because it only sends data and does not expect reply. Well, not really. You'll get a TCP ack back, which should be enough to keep the lights on

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-26 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Jun 19, 2006, at 1:15 AM, Sergei Golovan wrote: The problem is that this "ping" is not a ping at all because it only sends data and does not expect reply. Well, not really. You'll get a TCP ack back, which should be enough to keep the lights on. Some servers can also be configured to se

Re: Top Posting and Mobiles (OT From Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?)

2006-06-23 Thread ennova2005-jabber
s used today in a ping/pong fashion - however many newsgroups/blogs/newsfeeds do get delivered over mobile mail.That said, I am not a mobile email researcher - just an avid Blackberry user.- Original Message From: Dave Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Top Posting and Mobiles (OT From Re:

Top Posting and Mobiles (OT From Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?)

2006-06-23 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri Jun 23 01:47:38 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s Answering below quoted text is similarly annoying for people with mobile email clients where only the first X bytes are retrieved by default ;-) Be careful about making arguments like this. There's always the risk that a bored mobile

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-22 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Even with an empty presence payload like ? It means: I'm online with no status message (and not away/dnd/etc) - -- Maciek A: It's against natural order of reading. xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: Why is

RE: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-22 Thread JD Conley
, June 22, 2006 5:48 PM To: Jabber software development list Subject: Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?   Even with an empty presence payload like ? p.s  Answering below quoted text  is similarly annoying for people with mobile email clients where only the first X bytes

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-22 Thread ennova2005-jabber
opment list Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:54:14 PMSubject: Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Assuming (for legacy reasons), the only injection point available in> the code for this uni-directional "keepalive" is a message or> presence p

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-22 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Assuming (for legacy reasons), the only injection point available in > the code for this uni-directional "keepalive" is a message or > presence packet, how "bad" is it to send a to the server > (vs. say a jabber:iq:version o

RE: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-22 Thread JD Conley
: Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?   Assuming (for legacy reasons), the only injection point available in the code for this uni-directional "keepalive" is a message or presence packet, how "bad" is it to send a to the server  (vs. say a

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-22 Thread ennova2005-jabber
Assuming (for legacy reasons), the only injection point available in the code for this uni-directional "keepalive" is a message or presence packet, how "bad" is it to send a to the server  (vs. say a jabber:iq:version or jabber:iq:time) ?Will most servers ignore this safely and will it be consider

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-19 Thread Sergei Golovan
On 6/19/06, Dave Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon Jun 19 08:15:40 2006, Sergei Golovan wrote: > So, some NATs and proxies still break connection if they don't see > bidirectional flow. > Could you tell me which NATs do this? I'm unaware of any that handle timeouts differently for unidir

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-19 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon Jun 19 08:15:40 2006, Sergei Golovan wrote: On 6/19/06, Michal vorner Vaner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 10:47:19PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Given that the protocol itself does not seem to have a defined keep-alive >element, what is the recommended w

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-19 Thread Michal vorner Vaner
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:15:40AM +0400, Sergei Golovan wrote: > On 6/19/06, Michal vorner Vaner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 10:47:19PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > >>Given that the protocol itself does not seem to have a defined > >keep-alive > >>elemen

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-19 Thread Sergei Golovan
On 6/19/06, Michal vorner Vaner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 10:47:19PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Given that the protocol itself does not seem to have a defined keep-alive >element, what is the recommended way for a client to keep its connection >alive to

Re: [jdev] XMPP Ping/Keepalive: Recommended method ?

2006-06-19 Thread Michal vorner Vaner
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 10:47:19PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Given that the protocol itself does not seem to have a defined keep-alive >element, what is the recommended way for a client to keep its connection >alive to a XMPP server ? Since XML allows any number of whitespace be