JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-13 Thread Michelle Caisse
Hi, We will have our regular meeting Friday, July 14 at 9 am PST to discuss JDO TCK issues and status. Dial-in numbers are: 866 230-6968 294-0479# International: +1 865 544-7856 Agenda: 1. JDO2 Annotations: 1, 2, or 3 (any and all) 2. Deletion of objects when foreign-key is present (JDO-3

Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-15 Thread Craig L Russell
Attendees: Michelle Caisse, Matthew Adams, Michael Bouschen, Kristian Ernst, Erik Bengtson, Craig Russell Agenda: 1. JDO2 Annotations: 1, 2, or 3 (any and all) Technically, we might be better off having JDO annotations. But since 220 has already defined annotations, it might be better to u

Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-17 Thread Jörg von Frantzius
Hello Craig, if I understand things right, you changed your mind and now you don't see a any problem with JPOX's automatic nulling out of FKs? If that's the case, then I wonder why a user would want to have FK constraints in his schema at all? They wouldn't be of much use then. I may also ad

Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-17 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Jörg,On Jul 17, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Jörg von Frantzius wrote: Hello Craig, if I understand things right, you changed your mind and now you don't see a any problem with JPOX's automatic nulling out of FKs? Yes, I have changed my mind on this issue.If that's the case, then I wonder why a user would

Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-17 Thread Jörg von Frantzius
Craig L Russell schrieb: If that's the case, then I wonder why a user would want to have FK constraints in his schema at all? They wouldn't be of much use then. If only using JDO, I agree. What matters is the consistency of the object model, which is managed by the JDO implementati

Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-17 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Jörg,On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Jörg von Frantzius wrote: Craig L Russell schrieb: If that's the case, then I wonder why a user would want to have FK constraints in his schema at all? They wouldn't be of much use then.If only using JDO, I agree. What matters is the consistency of th

Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-18 Thread Bin Sun
--- Jörg von Frantzius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To me this means losing an important data security > feature when using > JDO over other access paths to the DB. FK > constraints can prevent you > from inadvertently deleting data, and by silently > removing any dangling > references on the

Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-18 Thread Jörg von Frantzius
Hi Craig, Craig L Russell schrieb: Hi Jörg, On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Jörg von Frantzius wrote: Craig L Russell schrieb: If that's the case, then I wonder why a user would want to have FK constraints in his schema at all? They wouldn't be of much use

Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, July 14 9 am PST

2006-07-18 Thread Michael Watzek
Hi Craig, Joerg, I agree that FK constraints are an important and powerful feature of relational databases. They provide for referential integrity, and, as a side effect, prevent people/applications from deleting rows unless FKs are nullified first. My impression is that below you are talkin