Hello Frenz,
I have gone through quite a bit of
literature and information on JSPs and Servlets.
I do not find very convincing as to how JSPs score any significant
advantage over Servlets. I am aware and understand the more common points
where JSP does well like easy mai
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Hello Frenz,
I have gone through quite a bit of
literature and information on JSPs and Servlets.
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Hello
Frenz,
I have gone through quite a bit of literature andinformation on JSPs and
Servlets. I do not find very convi
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1. JSP's are really servlets when comes right down to it.
2. Do you really want to create a large-scale browser-based
application composing all the HTML in out.println() c
Quoting Husted, Robert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> At Qwest we are using templates... HTML files with placeholders for data
> ${MY_PLACEHOLDER}. We store the template in memory and then insert the data
> into the template and display it to the user. The advantage is that our
> HTML code doesn't a
cification and reference
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> At Qwest we are using templates... HTML files with
> pla
One thing JSP provides that would be a benefit to you would be
the Applicaton and Session Beans and the easy implementation
of them. also, JSP does make some things "easier" like indicating
that a JSP page should be "single-threaded" ...
... and stuff like that.
Even though it's all possible in se
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> At Qwest we are using templates... HTML files with placeholders for
data
> ${MY_PLACEHOLDER}. We store the template in
with everything in there but it is a goodstart.just my 2
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At Qwest we are using templates...
Quoting Rod McChesney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> [private reply]
>
> > As in, Microsoft style "we're going to spend our way to dominance".
>
> Jeeze, Justin, go easy! I know from the inside that Sun isn't spending
> it's way to much of anything software-related.
Assigning engineers to work on JSP on
Quoting Richard Friedman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
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> 1. Looping.
> How have you handled looping in your template
> language. Not that this is impossible, but you
> probably have created your own mini-language. Also,
> can you handle loops within loops?
Most templates have a mini-language, but unli
Quoting Taylor Gautier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> JSP gives you exactly the same capabilities as a templating language, in
> fact it is a templating language. It goes much further than that, however,
> because it uses JavaBeans as backend data providers, meaning that any Bean
> is usable by JSP, so r
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> Quoting Taylor Gautier ([EMAIL PROTEC
Quoting David Geary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Hi Justin,
>
> I've been following this thread, and I've even looked at the WebMacro Web site, but
> I still have no idea what the advantages of WebMacro are over JSP. You seem to
> imply that JSP has shortcomings which WebMacro addresses, but I don't und
Quoting Taylor Gautier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Quoting Taylor Gautier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > WebMacro is similar in that it relies on beans to supply the back end
> data.
>
> ok...? I don't think we were talking about WebMacro, but if you want to,
> sure...
The thread started out being abou
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> Quoting David Geary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > I'v
Quoting Kirkdorffer, Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I do not agree with many of your assertions.
Well you don't have to. We live in a diverse world, and yes to a
certain extent all of this is a matter of taste.
> The simple fact that one can and does embed scriptlet code with a JSP page
> for pre
Quoting Daniel Lopez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> If JSP was
> like WebMacro, people would be claiming now that Sun tried to enforce
> their own framework to develop applications... instead they gave
> developers all the freedom, and all the risks.
People might say that. I think that those same people
Quoting root ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Interesting. Do you always read mail as root on your box?
> > Quoting Daniel Lopez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
...
> > grain of truth in all of that--but, in my opinion, a lot more truth
> > in the notion that restrictions are necessary f
> XML+XSL solves an important problem, and has a very big niche in
> which WebMacro is not an appropriate tool. I spent a year and a half
> working in the SGML division of SoftQuad Inc., back when it was one
> of the largest SGML vendors (before the company got eaten from the
> inside out by the H
Justin Wells wrote:
>
> There is a lot of pressure coming from Sun that JSP should be considered
> the primary, almost only, tool for building web-pages. Evidence this
> silly notion that if you want to do MVC design you should do it within
> the context of JSP.
>
> Nobody is claiming that there
Quoting Randy Belknap ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > I totally believe in XML/SGML technology and have been actively using
> > it for years. I make a good chunk of my living as an XML consultant.
> >
> > I can tell you this about it: it isn't an appropriate approach to
> > take on 80% of the sites that
> Quoting root ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Interesting. Do you always read mail as root on your box?
Nah, it was an accident, that's why my post never showed up on the
JSP-INTEREST list. I actually read mail through my service, MsgTo.com
(just for reference, 100% java: servlet/jsp, smtp, pop, imap, a
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Second of all, you keep implying that you can't do MVC with JSP
which
is incorrect. MVC is a *DESIGN PATTERN*, independent of
implementation
language. MVC exists every
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> ...
>
> Second of all, you keep implying that you can't do MVC with JSP
> which
> is incorrect. MVC is a *DESIGN PATTERN*, independent of
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