Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-14 Thread Mike Van Riper
PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Kyle Cordes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture > > > The biggest weakeness I see with XSLT based output is that, > frankly, it >

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Kyle Cordes
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture > Mike, > my response was to the following extract... > > For simple data models and simple transforms, XSLT will work just fine. > But if you've tried to build complex web p

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Andrew S Tomlinson
Mike, my response was to the following extract... For simple data models and simple transforms, XSLT will work just fine. But if you've tried to build complex web pages using XSLT (for one thing, it cannot operate on multiple XML documents at the same time), .. which I interpret as multiple inpu

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Mike Van Riper
omeone else. - Mike Van Riper [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Andrew S Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture > > > Just a quick observation on a stat

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Andrew S Tomlinson
Just a quick observation on a statement being repeated in several messages - namely that a single XSL file cannot process multiple XML documents. This is not actually true - it might not be a standard capability of all XSLT processors but LotusXSL comes with specific examples for handling multiple

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi David, Again, comments intermixed ;). David Wall wrote: > > I am going to start by making a bold statement, then support that > statement > > with my observations. After introducing XML + XSLT into your architecture > > the need for Java Server Pages disappears! > > This seems somewhat true

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Jonathan, Comments intermixed ;). Jonathan Hager wrote: > I am going to start by making a bold statement, then support that statement > with my observations. After introducing XML + XSLT into your architecture > the need for Java Server Pages disappears! Well, there's no need to JSP in any

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Andrew, I agree with you, but I don't care as much about sticking to the Model-View perspective as getting something manageable and easy to use. I mean, I'd rather introduce the ability of configuring the way the data is formatted in the model (XML) so the view (XSL) is simpler and my designer

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-12 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Ryan, Eummm, I already knew how to get the HTML from the XML+XSL with JSP(model 2++) :). What I was asking was how people is implementing model ++2, which gets at design time the JSP from the XML and the XSL. Anybosy that's using this model can enlighten us? Thanks, Dan "Shriver, Ryan" wrote:

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread David Wall
> I am going to start by making a bold statement, then support that statement > with my observations. After introducing XML + XSLT into your architecture > the need for Java Server Pages disappears! This seems somewhat true to me, but it may also be a big step backwards in terms of capabilities.

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread Jonathan Hager
I am going to start by making a bold statement, then support that statement with my observations. After introducing XML + XSLT into your architecture the need for Java Server Pages disappears! The Model 2 architecture follows the MVC pattern. The MVC pattern makes a lot of sense for dividing th

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread Mike Van Riper
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture > > > Hi, > > I'm not sure too whether what you call Model ++2 would > q

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread Claudia Hon
so that if the static HTML is changed, it can incorporated into the corresponding JSP seamlessly without doing something like windiff ?? -Original Message- From: Shriver, Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Model 2 &

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread Andrew S Tomlinson
Hi Daniel, I agree that the lack of taglibs does make the ready-to-go XSL tags much more appealing. On the subject of the data-type formatting though, I really think you are going to have to address this in more detail at some point. First, variations in format (should they occur) require you to

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread Shriver, Ryan
I've been following this discussion and find your example below interesting. I've also been reading about tab librarys and just downloaded JRun's most recent one (ships with JRun 3.0 CR1). The library isn't tied to JRun specifically, but there's a feature that might help out with this. I haven't a

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread Shriver, Ryan
> -Original Message- > From: Andrew S Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:17 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture > > 3. building XSL files is a radically different proposition to > building

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-10 Thread Daniel Lopez
IL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Lee Elenbaas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:31 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture > > > > > > What i have learned is from liste

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-09 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Andrew, Very interesting feedback, I'll add my own experience. Andrew S Tomlinson wrote: > > It's interesting to hear about the broader adoption of XSL in a "Model 3". > I was (and still am) an enthusiastic adopter of XSL but I'd like to add a > cautionary > note and remark that from my exper

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-09 Thread Mike Van Riper
, 2000 2:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture > > > What i have learned is from listening in this list. > Model 2 is setting a single entrance servlet to all your > JSPs. that servlet > performs common tasks like ID user and secuity test

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-09 Thread Brian Burridge
I finally had a chance to catch up with the JSP email list, and found this Model 3 discussion to be both interesting and very timely. I am currently redesigning our architecture to include XML. We currently use JSP (.91 spec right now, but we will upgrade when we upgrade our entire architecture).

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-09 Thread Andrew S Tomlinson
It's interesting to hear about the broader adoption of XSL in a "Model 3". I was (and still am) an enthusiastic adopter of XSL but I'd like to add a cautionary note and remark that from my experience: 1. XSL is non-procedural and although it is incredibly easy to use for rudimentary operations it

Re: Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-09 Thread Lee Elenbaas
- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Germán López Castro Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Model 2 & 3 Architecture Hi-u-all. I think I've got a black hole in my acknoledgement, but

Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-09 Thread Germán López Castro
Hi-u-all. I think I've got a black hole in my acknoledgement, but... could anyone explain me what model 2 & 3 architectures are exactly and where can I get further information? Thanxalot. Consigue tu dirección de email gratis y permanente en http://WWW.LETTERA.NET Ýo u

Model 2 & 3 Architecture

2000-05-09 Thread Germán López Castro
Hi-u-all. I think I've got a black hole in my acknoledgement, but... could anyone explain me what architecture 2 & 3 are exactly and where can I get further information? Thanxalot. Consigue tu dirección de email gratis y permanente en http://WWW.LETTERA.NET Ýo unsubscr