RE: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Hightower
Since I am a consulting, I give advice, but will happily work with Tapestry or JSF. Being a capitalist, I tend to pick the one with the highest bill rate. :o) I am currently working with Scott Fau.h and another ArcMinder in San Diego. We are working with JSF, Spring, Hibernate (and soon iBa

RE: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices

2006-06-20 Thread Thomas Hicks
Thanks Rick! Your response was exactly what I was seeking, and I appreciate the detail and justification. And your comment: I don't get to pick. The pick is usually done before I get there and I merely assist with the choice. reminds us that many of these kinds of decisions are not made on a

RE: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Hightower
H I find Tapestry to be powerful and robust. It seems to handle resources better than JSF. It is also really easy to create Tapestry components (out of other Tapestry components no less). JSF component creation (true components not composition components ala Facelets) is lacking. Many th

Re: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices

2006-06-20 Thread Thomas Hicks
Hopefully not. I didn't ask "which app framework is better"? I asked a specific question of Rick (and others) from his experience "When would you choose to use Tapestry over JSF/Facelets"? I was hoping for a summary based on his experiences with various frameworks. cheers, -tom

Re: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices

2006-06-20 Thread Jon Thomas
you may have just started the next religious war On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Thomas Hicks wrote: Hey Rick, You raise an issue I've been looking at lately: the pros & cons of various web app dev frameworks. I was motivated by my lack of knowledge about what's out there and inspired by Matt Ra

[jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices

2006-06-20 Thread Thomas Hicks
Hey Rick, You raise an issue I've been looking at lately: the pros & cons of various web app dev frameworks. I was motivated by my lack of knowledge about what's out there and inspired by Matt Raible's comparison presentation (http://www.virtuas.com/articles/webframework-sweetspots.html). In t

RE: [jug-discussion] Net Neutrality (techno-political)

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Hightower
Darn... I knew I should have spoke up sooner. $90K for shutting up. I would have done it for $10K. DOH! I have an opinion on this topic, but don't have time to defend it so I'll take a big dose of "shut up". Nick, I was up your way working on a Tapestry project (a few weeks ago). I've been doi

Re: [jug-discussion] JUG Anniversary Celebration

2006-06-20 Thread Chad Woolley
I can do the chips/dip. Please let me know what you like. -- Chad On 6/19/06, Rene Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, From discussions at the meeting and on the list, we'll have the picnic on Saturday July 15 on Mt. Lemmon starting at 10AM (so we can get a table). We'll probably eat ar

Re: [jug-discussion] Net Neutrality (techno-political)

2006-06-20 Thread Nick Lesiecki
Hahahahaha! Will it be tax free? nick On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Jon Thomas wrote: Nick When you get home there will be $90k in your freezer. Now please shut up. :-) On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Nick Lesiecki wrote: The worst part is, this will be bad for business in the long run!

Re: [jug-discussion] Net Neutrality (techno-political)

2006-06-20 Thread Jon Thomas
Nick When you get home there will be $90k in your freezer. Now please shut up. :-) On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Nick Lesiecki wrote: The worst part is, this will be bad for business in the long run! Just imagine if every new Friendster, MySpace, delicious, or what have you had to sign ov

Re: [jug-discussion] Net Neutrality (techno-political)

2006-06-20 Thread Nick Lesiecki
The worst part is, this will be bad for business in the long run! Just imagine if every new Friendster, MySpace, delicious, or what have you had to sign over big money to AT&T just to get their websites seen. The web has launched 1000s of new businesses, some of them wildly successful and

Re: [jug-discussion] Net Neutrality (techno-political)

2006-06-20 Thread Chad Woolley
Took me about 2 minutes to call McCain and Kyl - because I had the numbers right in the email. Never underestimate the power of big money, soulless corporate entities, and their lobbyists to spread corruption and evil. I for one definitely don't mind getting stuff like this on the list. We need