Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-03 Thread Richard Hesse
, 2013 9:01 AM To: juniper-nsp Puck Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: Says who? Doh - MX*480*, not MX*80*. My mistake. --**--** --- Roland

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-03 Thread Ben Dale
to 80Gbps of traffic? Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces@**puck.nether.net juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dobbins, Roland Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:01 AM To: juniper-nsp Puck Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Advice

[j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Morgan McLean
Hi, I've only really dealt with traffic levels under 20Gbps. I have a client that will be pushing over 100gps, and close to 200 within the next six months, at least thats the goal. Judging by the type of traffic it is...I could see it happening. I'm probably in over my head, but thats another

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Morgan McLean wrote: of row switches. This leaves me with hoping that OSPF ECMP works well enough to push these kinds of traffic levels over a bunch of 10GE links, OSPF is control plane, it'll set up the ECMP and tell the forwarding plane about it. On some platforms,

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Morgan McLean wrote: I don't know if they will be giving us lags, which means I'll be potentially running 10-15 BGP sessions per MX, which is a lot of routes. I'm not a Juniper person, but the MXes aren't the recommended boxes for your peering/transit edge.

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:56:43 PM Dobbins, Roland wrote: I'm not a Juniper person, but the MXes aren't the recommended boxes for your peering/transit edge. Says who? They also said the T is a core router. I'm sure I can show you somehow using it as an edge router or route reflector :-).

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Gabriel Blanchard
We run pretty much exactly what you describe in the 100Gbps+ scale using MX480s with RE-S-1800 and don't have any problems. Contact me off list if you need any tips. On 13-07-02 04:58 AM, Morgan McLean wrote: Hi, I've only really dealt with traffic levels under 20Gbps. I have a client that

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Gabriel Blanchard wrote: We run pretty much exactly what you describe in the 100Gbps+ scale using MX480s with RE-S-1800 and don't have any problems. Wow, I had no idea those boxes could handle that level of traffic - thanks for the clue!

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: Says who? Doh - MX*480*, not MX*80*. My mistake. --- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net // http://www.arbornetworks.com Luck is the residue of opportunity and design.

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread sthaug
I'm not a Juniper person, but the MXes aren't the recommended boxes for your peering/transit edge. Says who? They also said the T is a core router. I'm sure I can show you somehow using it as an edge router or route reflector In fact I'd say that MXes are an excellent choice for

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:19 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: In fact I'd say that MXes are an excellent choice for peering/transit edge. Yes, I misread the OP's post as saying 'MX80', which is a smaller box, not 'MX480', my mistake.

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Drew Weaver
: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: Says who? Doh - MX*480*, not MX*80*. My mistake. --- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net // http://www.arbornetworks.com Luck

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 02, 2013 03:00:30 PM Dobbins, Roland wrote: Doh - MX*480*, not MX*80*. My mistake. Well, in fairness, the only thing that kills the MX80 is that crappy PPC control plane. If you can keep your peer sessions under control, the forwarding plane should happily a fair bit of

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Drew Weaver wrote: And what is wrong with the MX80 as a peering/transit router for up to 80Gbps of traffic? The OP was talking about 200gb/sec or more of traffic, with multiple eBGP peering relationships.

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 02, 2013 03:19:27 PM sth...@nethelp.no wrote: In fact I'd say that MXes are an excellent choice for peering/transit edge. Yes, if you have tons of high speed peering, the MX chassis' are good if terminating the links on the box directly is commercially feasible. Otherwise,

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 02, 2013 03:55:33 PM Drew Weaver wrote: And what is wrong with the MX80 as a peering/transit router for up to 80Gbps of traffic? If your traffic grows linearly with your peering sessions, it could come like a deck of cards. If not, no reason why the MX80 won't push. Mark.

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Haynes, Matthew
-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Drew Weaver Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:56 AM To: 'Dobbins, Roland'; 'juniper-nsp Puck' Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment And what is wrong with the MX80 as a peering/transit router for up to 80Gbps of traffic

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-07-02 14:07 +), Haynes, Matthew wrote: Just a smaller FIB table is all I know of, we use them in a few places as transit peering points for the time being. We will probably upgrade to 480's at some point depending on the amount of routes when Ipv6 kicks in and the amount of

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 03/07/13 00:56, Darius Jahandarie wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Drew Weaver drew.wea...@thenap.com wrote: And what is wrong with the MX80 as a peering/transit router for up to 80Gbps of traffic? The lack of redundant REs + inability to have an external RE. Other than the amount

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Drew Weaver
-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Drew Weaver drew.wea...@thenap.com wrote: And what is wrong with the MX80 as a peering/transit router for up to 80Gbps of traffic? The lack of redundant REs + inability to have an external RE. -- Darius Jahandarie

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 02, 2013 04:50:43 PM Saku Ytti wrote: MX104 has faster QorIQ core and 4GB DRAM. Althought I'd have been happier to see a 1U MX switch-router from Juniper, the MX104 is a reasonably welcome chassis, particularly if you're looking at mixed Ethernet and non- Ethernet (mostly

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 02, 2013 05:09:44 PM Julien Goodwin wrote: Other than the amount of CPU capacity on the MX80 (which has been done to death here) do you really have RE's fail often enough to be a problem? When we had chassis-based core switches, we slowly moved away from dual control planes

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread sthaug
And what is wrong with the MX80 as a peering/transit router for up to 80Gbps of traffic? Not sure how you count up to 80Gbps. Under normal circumstances you would use the 4 fixed ports as uplinks, meaning 2x10Gbps towards two uplink routers. So if you're extremely lucky with your load

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 02, 2013 05:31:08 PM sth...@nethelp.no wrote: Not sure how you count up to 80Gbps. As a friend of mine used to say, Californian Count :-). 40 * 2 Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Christian de Balorre
-Original Message- From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dobbins, Roland Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:01 AM To: juniper-nsp Puck Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: Says who? Doh

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Morgan McLean
of traffic? Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces@**puck.nether.netjuniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dobbins, Roland Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:01 AM To: juniper-nsp Puck Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

Re: [j-nsp] Advice on a 100Gbps+ environment

2013-07-02 Thread Jerry Jones
On Jul 2, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Morgan McLean wrx...@gmail.com wrote: Any good aggregation switch suggestions? Juniper is doesn't provide good ports for $ in the switching realmcustomer balked at the cost for a four port 40G blade on a 9200. Might check out brocade.. If you want to remain