Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-08 Thread Tarko Tikan
hey, Yep, Juniper told us at the time that Fusion was based on open standards (802.1BR) and not proprietary in any way. Funny how they don't support the use of any other 802.1BR complaint device and, I doubt it would work. They must have some property gubbins in there like pushing the Fusion

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 20:33, James Bensley wrote: > Yep, Juniper told us at the time that Fusion was based on open standards > (802.1BR) and not proprietary in any way. Funny how they don't support the > use of any other 802.1BR complaint device and, I doubt it would work. They > must have

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-08 Thread James Bensley
On 8 November 2018 14:23:02 GMT, Tarko Tikan wrote: >hey, > >> There is >> nothing wrong with layer 2 aggregation switches in my opinion, the >> only technical advantage in my opinion to using SP Fusion for a layer >> 1 extension to a router compared to a layer 2 switch is that SP >Fusion >>

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-08 Thread Tarko Tikan
hey, There is nothing wrong with layer 2 aggregation switches in my opinion, the only technical advantage in my opinion to using SP Fusion for a layer 1 extension to a router compared to a layer 2 switch is that SP Fusion is one device to configure and monitor instead of two. Except that it's

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-08 Thread James Bensley
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 13:03, Antti Ristimäki wrote: > Wrt the original question about possible issues with Fusion, we have faced > quite a many. Currently one of the biggest pains is to get CoS configured > properly on Fusion ports. We have a case open, where any CoS scheduler change > stops

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-07 Thread Antti Ristimäki
Hi, We also went with the Fusion with MX10k routers, just because we need 1GE interfaces and also 10GE interfaces with e.g. colored optics. In my opinion traditional L2 aggregation style would have been the preferred and probably more robust way, but then depending on the satellite device it

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-06 Thread Richard McGovern
Agree 100%. If you need L3 for 1GE edge, no solution today. That solution (late 1H2019 or 2H2019) will come with EVPN/VXLAN support on EX4300-MP, from what I hear. If you can get away with just L2 at 1GE edge, than ESI-LAG to any L2 Access will work. Yes you can also use QFX5K Agg running

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-06 Thread Richard McGovern
at a higher price point. Good luck. Richard McGovern Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks 978-618-3342 From: Eldon Koyle Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 1:30 PM To: Richard McGovern Cc: Juniper List Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge We are looking at a mix of QFX5100

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-06 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Richard, I think there are two separate issues here. Lot of people looking at Fusion aren't choosing it for technology, they are choosing it for media, as 1GE L3 ports are not available. So options are a) L2 aggregation b) Fusion c) Wait for JNPR to release some MX244 with 4xQSFP28 + 40xSFP+

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-06 Thread Eldon Koyle
We are looking at a mix of QFX5100-48S and EX4300-32F (somewhere between 6 and 10 devices total). It looks like the QFX supports EVPN, but Juniper doesn't seem to have any relatively inexpensive 1Gbe devices with EVPN support. We are planning on dual-homing most of our buildings (strictly L2,

Re: [j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-06 Thread Richard McGovern
I might suggest you look at an EVPN based design instead. This is going to be Juniper's #1 go to in the future. I believe things like Junos Fusion and MC-LAG, etc. may still be supported, but secondary to EVPN and associated features. What is your planned SD devices? QFX5??? Richard

[j-nsp] Opinions on fusion provider edge

2018-11-05 Thread Eldon Koyle
What kind of experiences (good or bad) have people had with Juniper's Fusion Provider edge? Are there any limitations I should be aware of? I'm looking at it to simplify management in a campus network environment and to use features that are only available on the MX currently. -- Eldon -- I